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The Nimitz Encounters Documentary


Elendil

Paranormal Maven
I'll post it here just in case someone missed it, I'd say it's pretty good. Darn interesting to see the case presented this way:

 
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USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
I'll post it here just in case someone missed it, I'd say it's pretty good. Darn interesting to see the case presented this way:
I think it's here someplace else too, but you're right. This particular production is very good. There seems to be no doubt that something out of the ordinary was going on. But what exactly? We're tempted to think it was a UFO ( as in alien craft ), but what if this was some sort of advanced training simulation? Back in the Golden Age of Ufology, it would not have been possible to pull-off anything like the Nimitz encounters. Today however it's conceivable that we could create the illusion of such craft, even if we can't actually engineer them physically.

I'll add this info on pilot David Fravor again as well:

Witness: David Fravor
Airman, Rank: Squadron Commander
Air Wing: VMFA-232


David Fravor has served for 22 years in the Navy and two in the Marines. He has participated in five deployments. During the deployment featured in CARRIER, he was commanding officer of Strike Fighter Squadron 41 (VFA-41), also known as “The Black Aces.” Currently, he works in California for Fidelity Technologies as a simulator instructor, teaching new pilots how to fly the F/A-18. He is a native of Ohio. ( Source )


 
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Elendil

Paranormal Maven
Yeah Randall, I agree that we don't know what could have been that tic-tac thing. And sure - everything you said is true, albeit that's an old theme in Ufology - are those real object or illusions, are they alien tech or some advanced black budget thing we're not aware of...

But something here is definitely out of the ordinary. Don't know if I'm right on this - but it seems to me that this might be the first time we have pilots, technicians and radar operators coming forward, with both fighter pilots and the crew onboard the Hawkeye claiming visual contact, plus traces being present from various tracking systems, including Aegis and even sonar, at least according to this documentary.
And some Flir footage, with supposedly a high-res version available.

I'm not that knowledgeable regarding various cases throughout history, since I indulge my UFO curiosity now and then when Real Life (TM) allows it, but I can't remember any case having this much crewmen of various ilk stepping forward, at least on film or TV.

I wonder if anyone tried to get more detail on the people accompanying the skipper who supposedly confiscated the flight HD bricks from the Nimitz and left aboard the Seahawk? Anyone tried to talk to the skipper?
I wonder if an FOI request for those bricks could yield any results, most probably not, but still - I think that the guy who runs the Black Vault filed some request regarding the Nimitz case, if I remember correctly...any info on those?
 

USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
I think you're referring to Greenwald. Maybe if he comes onto the show, we can ask some of those questions.

While it's true that the idea of illusions or misperceptions has been a recurring theme in ufology, the ability to convincingly pull them off has become more and more challenging. In the old days there were inflatable tanks and other sorts of physical decoys. However creating the illusion of an actual flying craft that isn't really there was beyond our means until recently.

Today we have the ability to create holograms that look real takes the possibility of military decoys to a whole new level. Together with sophisticated radar spoofing, holographic decoys could make an effective countermeasure. If they're good enough to fool us, then they're good enough to fool an enemy. So maybe that was the test; to see if it could fool a carrier group ( which I believe was actually on a training exercise ).

So this could be an entirely new level of military tech at work. We can't be sure it's not, and therein lies a major problem. We also know that the real thing exists. But these days we can no longer be sure which is which unless it gets up-close and personal.
 
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henris42

Paranormal Novice
I just wonder - I recall a "real-life" show on an US carrier, round 1999. Sounds like just before this. The commander guy look very familiar. The young lady pilot was then a rook, I remember the Cmdr pulling her off the list in bad weather. She protested, Cmdr flew in her place.

I cannot remember if it was the Nimitz, but was definite on of those air craft carriers. And I don't have video.

I'm 99% sure this is the same BS - do any of you remember this "naval" real television?
 

USI Calgary

J. Randall Murphy
Staff member
I just wonder - I recall a "real-life" show on an US carrier, round 1999. Sounds like just before this. The commander guy look very familiar. The young lady pilot was then a rook, I remember the Cmdr pulling her off the list in bad weather. She protested, Cmdr flew in her place.

I cannot remember if it was the Nimitz, but was definite on of those air craft carriers. And I don't have video.

I'm 99% sure this is the same BS - do any of you remember this "naval" real television?
I've never seen any military reality television shows, but I don't think that this documentary is BS. I think these people are telling their experiences as they recall them. What that actually means is another story. One of the things that lends credence to the idea that some sort of super secret tech was behind the strange events, is that there were officials who seemed to have mysteriously showed up to take away the "bricks" ( data recorders ).

It seems to me that just appearing without anyone knowing how they got there meant that they were probably there from the start, but stayed out of sight while the exercise was going on so that they could monitor the situation and retrieve the data, which meant they had foreknowledge of the events, which implies that it was planned on some higher level, which means it was probably something of ours rather than something alien.
 

Farlig Gulstein

Skilled Investigator
do any of you remember this "naval" real television?
You are probably referring to the ten-part PBS series "Carrier" mentioned in Fravor's resume above. The blurb reads:

CARRIER, a 10-part series filmed aboard the USS Nimitz, is a character-driven immersion in the high- stakes world of a nuclear aircraft carrier. The episodes follow a core group of characters as they navigate their jobs, families, faith, patriotism, love, the rites of passage and the war on terror.​

On the other hand, I think the Nimiz "Tic-Tac" Documentary is actually pretty helpful in recreating the reported events.
 



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