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Phyllis Galde, Jerome Clark and Fate Magazine


DaveM

Paranormal Adept
Thanks Gene for asking my question. I wasn't convinced about Phyllis Galde's answers about keeping the magazine viable. I went onto the Fate website to see what they have published lately. It ends up there were three magazine issues released in 2013 and nothing thus far in 2014. If I were to subscribe to any periodical I would need to receive more than three issues in a year's time.

To attract younger readers you need to have some younger writers viewpoints and I don't think that is the case with Fate Magazine. Sorry to say, I think Fate is on its last legs.
 
The sudden death of her companion and co-publisher, David, put the damper on Fate for a while. She's catching up. But they sell subscriptions by the number of issues, which means you'll get what you paid for even if it'll take longer to receive them.

As to getting younger viewpoints, that's also a question of younger writers being willing to write for a traditional magazine on these subjects. They are aware of the need to become more relevant to the Facebook/Twitter generations.
 
Gene, Ms. Galde said they had no Facebook/Twitter presence. She may be aware that the magazine needs to take part in social media but thus far they haven't done a thing. This is still a magazine written by older writers for older readers.
 
As an older reader, Fate sounds pretty good. I downloaded the free sample and may decide to e-subscribe.
 
I didn't know much about Keyhoe other activities till I did a little foray into his background from Wikipedia and elsewhere. I've mostly concentrated on his UFO-related doings over the years. In passing, I never read his fiction books, and I don't know if I will but it's an interesting sidelight to an unusual career.

I did look over the excerpts of the Kindle book, by the way. Still have no interest in reading any further.
 
Jerome's suggestion Ray Palmer wrote fictional stories under pseudonyms for Fate mag, presenting them as true, reminds me of a Fate article I read as a 10 or 11 year old boy in the mid 1960s whose veracity I later doubted. I read it at my fave smoke shop's news stand I used to go to for comic books. Except, I see now from Wikipedia, the Fuller's operated the mag in the 1960s, not founder Palmer.

I'm 95% certain it was in Fate mag. The article purported to be a first hand account by a young woman in England who'd been out walking in summer in the woods in some out-of-the-way spot. She came across a coven of witches/Wiccans performing a ritual in the woods in the nude, & watched, fascinated, from a distance, undetected. But at some point, the Wiccans became aware of her presence, & somehow she ended up being persuaded by the Wiccan Priest to join them. In fact, he ended up persuading her to lie naked on an alter while he performed the (every where widely popular) phallus ritual on her while the rest of the coven watched. She reported she "enjoyed the sensations he gave me." It wasn't presented as rape, but the Wiccan Priest was depicted as being persuasive, with the girl submitting willingly. So, there was an element of kink to it too: domination & submission. And of course, there were many other details (suggestive, not too explicit) making it a stimulating tale I no longer recall clearly.

The supposed Wiccan encounter article seemed (later to me) obvious soft core porn fiction. I mention this 'cause it seems to be an example of fiction purporting to be fact in Fate mag as Jerome described. Also, it's interesting Fate mag in the mid 1960s would publish an article that was essentially soft core porn. I must say, as a 10 or 11 year old in the mid sixties, it was one of the most erotic, titillating stories I'd ever read, not that I'd encountered much erotic lit before at that age. I read or purchased Fate mag a bunch of other times in the 1960s, & 1970s but don't recall encountering in Fate such an unabashedly erotic/porn story again. Maybe it was rarity for Fate. It's certainly the one 1960s or '70s Fate article that has stayed with me decades later!
 
This episode must have been a dud. Look how few comments there are.

Not necessarily. Some of us don't listen to the podcasts as soon as they are aired. I follow a lot of podcasts but not in a timely manner. I haven't heard this particular episode yet.

I downloaded the freebie: it was interesting but I don't know if it was anymore interesting than what I read on assorted (free) blogs. Free fits in my nonexistent budget a lot better right now.
 
I liked the show and I did not know much about fate magazine before the show.

Gene it was the DC superhero the atom that was named ray palmer not marvel's antman.
 
The Paranormal According to Jerome Clark: Anomalous Events and Experiences

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I'm a fan of Clark's work because what he says about UFO's and the paranormal are reasonable, well researched and done so with a passion and a zeal. Like everything Clark does he injects his own razor's wit and verve into stories he feels need telling or ripping to shreds - and that includes his distaste for thought experimenters like Tonnies or imaginative confabulists like Keel. For him the paranormal landscape has clear divisions i.e. either it happened and you can prove it or you can't and you're just telling a story, or a lie. If you've been set on fire you know it happened and you have the undeniable scars and trace evidence to prove it. I had a teenage friend once who set himself on fire after being careless at the pumps while filling his car and thought nothing about lighting up a smoke in the car afterwards. Visiting him in the hospital later and seeing his skingrafts convinced me that those are events worth preventing.

Clark breaks things down like this:

There are, as I see it, three classes of anomalous claims and phenomena:

(1) Pseudo-anomalies, which is to say the noise generated by misperceptions, wishful thinking, hoaxes, delusions, and exaggeration.

(2) Core anomalies that manifest as unusual and puzzling events in the world - in other words, they give us some reason to suspect their objective and physical, if unexplained, presence in the world - and that will be eventually explained within the boundaries of expanded existing knowledge.

(3) Experience anomalies, shadow phenomena that 'exist' in vivid (frequently collective) perception, that sometimes have a parasitic relationship to (2), while being epistemologically unrelated, and whose existence cannot be proved at the event level even as the extraordinary appearances at their center can be, in some subjective sense, experienced in deeply anomalous states of consciousness. We lack so much as a vocabulary for these, and they are so far beyond current knowledge (if - emphatically - not universal human experience) that explanations and theoretical frameworks cannot be usefully discussed. Literal interpretations are certainly wrong.

It is (3) that interests me most these days, and to which I intend to devote my energy and attention as an anomalist from here on.

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You might mistake Jerome Clark as a minimalist theorist vs. other more elaborate theorists, such as things talked about during the most recent Stalking the Herd episode, where we were reminded of ideas such as the Memeplex Evolutionary Imperative. Clark however, does not subscribe to a Jungian perspective at all. I believe his favourite quote on Jung is that the only place the collective unconscious exists is in Carl Jung's library. He doesn't have time for thought experiments, at least not anymore. Clark is an historian who deals in facts, and is very interested in the hardcore UFO event with multiple witness radar signal trace evidence cases. However, his real area of personal emphasis is on experience anomalies, things that come from the liminal world that do not appear to have happened in consensus reality. They are alive in the memory of witnesses which he describes their core dilemma this way, “many high-strangeness phenomena are vivid experiences while not being actual events in any ordinarily understood sense.”

How are we to make sense of these otherworldy stories that have had a profound impact on the experiencer but are just simply not a traditional experience in the way we define conscious experience? People have been seeing mermaids, hoop snakes, mysterious airships and even claim contact with all manner of odd humanoids that appear to have literally stepped out of the twilight zone to make a brief visit to our world much to the wild wonder of those who see such things. No one has documented these cases with more vigour than Clark over the years - any minor perusal of his published works will open you up to his true passion for high strange experiences.

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Clark has this final statement to make about anomalies: "In my view the centuries-old debate over anomalies and the paranormal stalled long ago because both sides have insisted on either-or interpretations, causing both to engage in extreme, untenable — not to mention absurdly literalist — rhetoric. It would have helped if the debaters had acknowledged that sometimes “experience” and “event” are not synonymous." The rabid debunker dismisses the idea of liminal experiences as the product of unstable folk prone to fantastical thinking, but perhaps this investigation into odd experiences needs to be treated in an entirely different manner, using tools not yet invented. For him we can not dismiss the Men In Black stories out of hand, but we should be disciplined about which stories we lean on to explore.

As a final consideration i'd like to remind you of the infamous 1967 Falcon Lake Incident with Stefan Michalak whose full narrative includes the up close and personal viewing of a real life flying saucer, audible voices of occupants coming from inside the ship, and then finally an exhaust port burn that left Michalak scared and scarred - it is a premiere tale and if you don't know about it I'm not sure what you're doing here at this forum. Either way, here are some interesting bits of info that document it along with the classic photo of Michalak and his burns - taken from a Polish website, just to acknowledge my appreciation for my Grandmothers's exceptional perogies and cabbage rolls, as she's turning 99 this May, so Poland is on my mind.
The Falcon Lake Wiki article


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What are we to do with Michalak's experience? Questionable trace evidence was also found, though Stefan's tale and wounds are extraordinary. Was this an experience? Was it an event? How are we to log what happened to him and what he saw? I prefer to see his incredible experience as one of the great UFO tales that seems to be a strong example of an incursion into our world from a set of beings that normally do not participate in our reality but likes to visit our minds every now and then with their technology. And as others have suggested, why couldn't these experiences also be events and provide physical traces of their ephemeral nature.

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