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On the Show — Gabriel Mckee

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Mckee-Gabriel.pngGabriel Mckee is author of The Saucerian: The Unbelievable Life of Gray Barker (MIT Press). It's the strange, but true biography of the colorful founder of Saucerian Books, a central purveyor and promoter of flying saucer and conspiracist knowledge in the mid-twentieth century.

Gray Barker (1925–1984) was an eccentric literary outsider, filled with ideas that were out of step with the world. An author and unreliable narrator of implausible stories, Barker founded and operated Saucerian Books, an independent publisher of books about flying saucers and other ideas at the fringes of popular discourse. In The Saucerian, Gabriel Mckee tells the fascinating story of Barker’s West Virginia–based press, the unique corpus of materials it published, and how office-copying and self-publishing techniques influenced the spread of paranormal beliefs and conspiratorial worldviews over the last century. Following the development of UFO subculture, Mckee explores the life and career of a larger-than-life hoaxer and originator of pseudoscientific ideas.

Ever an entertainer, Barker established his reputation with one of the first flying saucer fanzines, The Saucerian, and with his first book, the conspiratorial and sensationalistic They Knew Too Much about Flying Saucers. By the close of the 1950s, he had established a publishing imprint that brought out some of the strangest UFO-related books of the era, with a particular emphasis on flying saucer contactees. Saucerian Books became a platform for those whose stories were too unusual, implausible, or crudely written for more mainstream publishers. Though Barker himself was a skeptic, he viewed the world of occult believers as a source of ongoing entertainment. He also may have used the perceived eccentricity of flying saucer research, or “Ufology,” to obscure his homosexuality from his small-town neighbors. From his place on the fringes of mid-century American culture, Barker left an unmatched legacy in conspiratorial concepts that have become prominent pop-cultural folklore, including the Men in Black, the Mothman, and the Philadelphia Experiment. As a mastermind behind the fantastical, Barker’s promotional efforts were the precursor to contemporary conspiracism. And, by the way, Gene makes a couple of cameo appearances in the book.

Gabriel Mckee is the Librarian for Collections and Services at New York University Institute For the Study of the Ancient World. He holds master’s degrees in Theological Studies from Harvard Divinity School and in Library and Information Science from Long Island University. His areas of research include the intersection of theology and popular culture, patristics and church history, parahistoriography, and small press bibliography.

His publications include The Saucerian: The Unbelievable Life of Gray Barker (MIT Press, forthcoming), Theology and the DC Universe (Lexington Books, 2023), The Gospel According to Science Fiction (Westminster John Knox, 2007), and Pink Beams of Light From the God in the Gutter: The Science Fictional Religion of Philip K. Dick (University Press of America, 2003).

Also: "Reality – Is It a Horror?": Richard Shaver’s Subterranean World and the Displaced Self: View of “Reality – Is it a Horror?”

Our cohost is Tim Swartz.

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Broadcast and Streaming Date:
April 13, 2025
 
Gene could you ask him was there any cases that Gray Barker thought were genuine. I know Gray thought most of Ufology and the Paranormal were fake or fueled by people's imagination but was there any cases he took seriously.
 
Gray was a man of contradictions. I'll let our guest give his evaluation on the show, and I'll also offer mine. I met Gray a few times, corresponded with him over the years. But I mostly know of his antics via his pal Jim Moseley.
 
Speaking of Gray Barker, we do have an old recording of Bob Zanotti's Coffee Klatsch show from 1962, featuring Gray Barker, Jim Moseley, John J. Robinson, August C. Roberts and Dom Lucchesi. It's in somewhat rough shape from a perfectionist view, but still clear and understandable. It's available strictly to Paracast+ subscribers.

Bob will post information on the episode soon.

Meantime to sign up for Paracast+ and get that and other goodies, please check out: www.theparacast.plus
 
Speaking of Gray Barker, we do have an old recording of Bob Zanotti's Coffee Klatsch show from 1962, featuring Gray Barker, Jim Moseley, John J. Robinson, August C. Roberts and Dom Lucchesi. It's in somewhat rough shape from a perfectionist view, but still clear and understandable. It's available strictly to Paracast+ subscribers.

Bob will post information on the episode soon.

Meantime to sign up for Paracast+ and get that and other goodies, please check out: www.theparacast.plus

The Paracast show featuring Gabriel McKee and his book about Gary Barker was fascinating to me and I'm sure to many others. McKee's knowledge of Barker is impressively extensive, and I learned a few things about the man that I hadn't known before.

Through the so-called “New York UFO Circle”, in which Gene Steinberg and I were a part, I met Gray Barker when he was in New York in 1962. I invited him on my own offbeat radio show at the time called Coffee Klatsch, and he graciously accepted. It was old home week for him and the other participants.

On hand during the 90-minute freewheeling round table discussion were some of the great names of Ufology and the paranormal, who were also mentioned in The Paracast show: Jim Moseley, Jack Robinson, Augie Roberts and Dominic Lucchesi.

A footnote: This tape recording was a backup made by Jack Robinson. The quality is not topnotch, and we have made every effort to improve the sound. That said, the quality is not all that bad and can be forgiven in view of the value of the content.

So let's go back 63 years in time on The Paracast+. Enjoy!
 
IMHO, this episode spoke in a way that warranted a meaningful response, especially in respect to Jim Moseley where his father was a world class fascist to the extent that Rachel Maddow mentioned him on her show and in one of her books. In being drawn to one conclusion that Moseley purposely injected himself into the UFO culture to piss off daddy. It could possibly be said that this musing is shockingly close to the truth. BTW, if you’re looking for “Whispers from Space” on DVD it’ll cost up to $543. Maybe Gene could produce a bootleg for me? That’s worth at least 5 chickens and a couple of turkeys, which I believe there’s still a few trotting about in the basement.
 
I haven't had DVDs in over a decade. I got rid of my Blu-Ray player. I still have an old Apple SuperDrive DVD player/recorder lying around. Not sure if it'll work for current Macs, but maybe I'll check it out.
 
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