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Marley Woods Unknown Creature

Ron Collins

Curiously Confused
Ok, a couple of quick things.

1) I want to thank Ted Phillips for allowing us to post these images before creating the website and presenting them in that environment. I gave Ted the option of creating a site first or allowing these images to be shown on this forum. He enthusiastically chose to allow the images to be posted.

Also, I want to thank Chris O'Brien for the introduction to Ted. Without his efforts in this we would have had to wait. Thanks Chris!

2) Ted has been at the Marley Woods site since the interview on the Paracast. Just getting the images I will post below to us was difficult. This is not a place that has great connectivity(old computer with slow modem). Ted had to use a friends computer to do it. Honestly, he could have waited until he returned home but he wanted to make good on his promise as quickly as possible.

3) I have sent an email to Ted asking him if we can have the raw high resolution images upon his return home. I have every reason to suspect those will be forthcoming. I know the image quality is not fantastic, I will work to get a better copy and update this area ASAP.

4) Ted has eagerly accepted my offer to help him with a website and show him how to personally update it. This is going to take a bit of time but feel free to to ask me how it is coming. I will give an honest assessment of completion. Right now we are at 1% as Ted has given me some design direction and now the ball rests in my court.

5) Here is the big one. Please keep your comments confined to the images themselves. I have no problem with that. But, there have been a bunch of things posted lately that are clearly attacks on Ted personally. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.

Without further ado, I will start posting images.
 

Ron Collins

Curiously Confused
From Teds Log of White Animal Events:

7/22/2009 1330 hours
Daughter of the property owner and her husband saw a very large animal on the
ground near the area where many tracks have been found. It was about 800 feet
away, they took a photograph and D..... yelled at it. It slowly stood up and they
managed to get another photograph. The original images are quite sharp but due to
the distance there is limited detail.

Note: We do not have the images of the standing creature yet. I will update this as soon as we do.

Original Image
UNKNOWNANIMAL1.jpg


Enlargement 1
UNKNOWNANIMAL2.jpg


Enlargement 2
UNKNOWNANIMAL2ENLARGED.jpg


Enlargement 3
UNKNOWNANIMAL1ENLARGED.jpg


---------- Post added at 05:38 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:27 AM ----------

White Hair Samples

White Hair Sample 1:
One of many samples from various locations on two ranches.
WPWHITEHAIRSAMPLEC.JPG


White Hair Sample 2:
Sample taken from barbed wire fence 5 ft above gound, measured 16 inches in length.
WPUNKNOWNHAIR16INCHESLONG.jpg
 

Hoffmeister

There is no spoon
Thanks for your efforts Ron, and please pass on our thanks to Ted.

With regards to the photo's, I think we'll have to wait for the high res ones as from the above picture its impossible to tell the size of that animal. Looks just like a dog or something from here.

I can't remember now, did Ted talk about DNA testing that hair?
 

Ron Collins

Curiously Confused
Hair Magnifications

100X Magnification
Hair unknown = 100x microscopic image a team of microbiologist could not identify the hair.
HAIRUNKNOWN100X.jpg


400x Magnification
HAIRUNKKNOWN400X.jpg
 

Christian Fleming

Paranormal Novice
Thanks for your efforts Ron, and please pass on our thanks to Ted.

With regards to the photo's, I think we'll have to wait for the high res ones as from the above picture its impossible to tell the size of that animal. Looks just like a dog or something from here.

I can't remember now, did Ted talk about DNA testing that hair?

If it is a dog it be a selective breed. The muscle tone of the animal or whatever it is can be clearly seen in the third enlargement photo that Ron posted. I doubt also the images are showing a Wolf like creature, mainly due to the obvious lack of hair. First impression it looks like a stray dog that perhaps wondered by that way and looked usual from a distance. I'll reserve a definite bias until I see clear pictures of this creature if and when they are posted.
 

Ron Collins

Curiously Confused
Animal Tracks

Animal Track - A
UNKNOWNTRACK2.jpg


Animal Track - B
UNKNOWNTRACK6.jpg


Animal Track - C
Shows claw marks
UNKNOWNTRACK9.jpg


Plaster Cast of Track C
Shows a depth of 1.5 inches
UNKNOWNANIMALTRACKPLASTERCAST4.jpg


Plaster Cast of Track C (Large from top)
UNKNOWNANIMALTRACKPLASTERCAST3.jpg
 

Kandinsky

Curious Cat
Good work Ron,
The hair sample is interesting. If the microscopic image is from the hair on the barbed wire fence, that would be a good place to start investigating. The '400x magnification' shot looks to me like hair. Whatever's hanging off the wire doesn't look like hair...at least not as we know it. If Ted could focus his analysis on the hair, it seems to me that represents the best chance of conclusive evidence.

I recall the Trace Evidence used to have a few images of the white hair, but I remember it being shorter, softer and having more the appearance of sheep's wool.

Footprints and images are interesting, but the hair would be hard evidence. DNA sampling would be the next step?
 

justcurious

Flying Kitchenettes
With regards to the photo's, I think we'll have to wait for the high res ones as from the above picture its impossible to tell the size of that animal. Looks just like a dog or something from here.

Can't be sure but it looks more feline than canine including the tracks. Marley Woods is a bit far from the habitat of the north American cave lion (cougar) but it is not unknown to have some specimen straying hundreds of miles away from their normal region. The tracks are extremely consistent with a feline.
Cougar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

thirstylion.jpg
North American Lion and its tracks
cougar_tracks.53165703_large.JPG

I have been living over 15 years in India and Africa so I've had some experience of seeing big felines in the wild and their tracks and it's what those shots make me think of. Not a big dog. I might change my mind when I see the bipedal posture picture but felidaes often stand up against trees. Ted should check the trees around the location of the picture for claw marks up to 9 feet high. I am not concluding anything here, just sceptically speculating...

Obviously the hair samples are not related to the creature in the pictures.


 

Kandinsky

Curious Cat
Can't be sure but it looks more feline than canine including the tracks. Marley Woods is a bit far from the habitat of the north American cave lion (cougar) but it is not unknown to have some specimen straying hundreds of miles away from their normal region. The tracks are extremely consistent with a feline.
Cougar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hiya JC. That's interesting thinking about a cougar. I also had a look and they look like cougar prints...Animal Tracks - Mountain Lion (Cougar) - Puma concolor

One big problem is that cats don't leave nail marks when walking. One of those images has three very clear nail impressions like you'd see in dog tracks. The image of the animal looks to be the right colour for a cougar, but also looks too short in length. The tail looks docked like you'd find on an English Bull Mastiff...also that colour.

It's a puzzler isn't it!?
 

Hoffmeister

There is no spoon
Don't forget the two might not be connected. The tracks could be a bear (google images*'bear tracks'*to see) and the other one could be a totally separate animal such as a dog or mountain lion. I don't have good knowledge of the local wildlife in this area so I don't know whether these animals are indigenous
*
 

justcurious

Flying Kitchenettes
One big problem is that cats don't leave nail marks when walking. One of those images has three very clear nail impressions like you'd see in dog tracks.
Hi Kandinsky,
Actually I believe that in very soft or slippery soil they use their claws for grip, it's a reflex, and the toes are more spread out than on harder, safer grounds, just like in the pics. You can find several pictures of cougar tracks with visible claws on the net. The dog solution is still on of course. A specialist should be able to judge on this.

Hoffmeister, you're right I assumed that the creature and track pictures were related, thank for the comment.
 

Angel of Ioren

Friendly Skeptic
Hi Kandinsky,
Actually I believe that in very soft or slippery soil they use their claws for grip, it's a reflex, and the toes are more spread out than on harder, safer grounds, just like in the pics. You can find several pictures of cougar tracks with visible claws on the net. The dog solution is still on of course. A specialist should be able to judge on this.

Hoffmeister, you're right I assumed that the creature and track pictures were related, thank for the comment.

I don't know about wild cats, but I'm around a cat every day, and his claws do hit the floor.
Both hypothesis' are plausible. Standing there like that, we can't really tell too much. I'm interested in see the picture that shows the animal standing on two legs. I find it curious that the photographer would send the one where its doing something any normal animal would, but not send Ted the image that shows it standing.

Thanks again to Ron and Chris for getting Ted the chance to post the pictures.
 
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Paul Kimball

Guest
A couple of things strike me:

1. 800 feet is roughly equivalent to 266 yards, or over 2 1/2 football fields in length. Visual observations at that distance are almost worthless. If you don't think so, go out to your nearest football field, stand in the endzone, place something the size of a large dog in the other endzone, and then imagine what looking at it at 2 1/2 times the distance would be like.

2. The pictures don't look all that impressive to me, and compared to the foliage behind the animal (and I'm sure that it's just some sort of animal), it doesn't look all that big. Certainly not something that I would characterize as "very large".

I would suggest that someone like Bruce Maccabee could have a look at these, and determine fairly quickly and easily what is in the photo, or at the very least the size of the animal. Has that been done yet?

I'm with Angelo - I'm surprised that if you have better, more sensational / amazing / paranormal photos, that you wouldn't send them first.

Paul
 

Sean Elifritz

Administrator
My first impression is that the creature looks more yellow or tan than white and that it's legs look very wide, very muscular. Unfortunately it is so far away that it seems to me that it could be just about anything. About the only thing I get from that picture is that I'm looking at something pretty thickly muscled. Beyond that it could be a large cat or dog or sheep or whatever but if I was forced to make a guess I'd probably go with a large feline like a mountain lion. But I have no confidence in any guess I might make. The head looks more round than snoutish so if it is a dog I think it's unlikely that it would be a breed like a wolf, german shepherd, or husky. More like a pitbull or something else with a pushed-in face. Like I said before the legs are the most striking feature, a lot of meat on them. I'm not even going to try and pretend that I know a damned thing about animal tracks so I won't comment on those. But if you've got unknown hairs that is interesting.
 

Christian Fleming

Paranormal Novice
My first impression is that the creature looks more yellow or tan than white and that it's legs look very wide, very muscular. Unfortunately it is so far away that it seems to me that it could be just about anything. About the only thing I get from that picture is that I'm looking at something pretty thickly muscled. Beyond that it could be a large cat or dog or sheep or whatever but if I was forced to make a guess I'd probably go with a large feline like a mountain lion. But I have no confidence in any guess I might make. The head looks more round than snoutish so if it is a dog I think it's unlikely that it would be a breed like a wolf, german shepherd, or husky. More like a pitbull or something else with a pushed-in face. Like I said before the legs are the most striking feature, a lot of meat on them. I'm not even going to try and pretend that I know a damned thing about animal tracks so I won't comment on those. But if you've got unknown hairs that is interesting.

The distance from were the photo was taken, does hinder our pursuit of figuring out what the animal might be or isn't. A Cougar is often seen roaming the landscape of Northern America and Canada. But what has got me confused here, is the thickness of the front legs of the animal compared to the back hind legs.

As far, as I am aware of every breed of known Dog would have thicker legs at the back then the front.

The third enlargement photo that Ron graciously posted shows the complete opposite. The animal seems to me to have large muscular legs in the front then the back. Therefore from my understanding of animal studies this animal could be an unknown species? I'm not outrageously claiming that is what the picture is showing please Don't over react.
 

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