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June 10 with JC Johnson

J.T.

Maybe Logic
Really enjoyable episode, even though my bullsh*t radar perked up quite a bit.

The description of the whole trip was engaging and illuminating. Having read those same stories (being very much interested in the underground theories in general), I was glad to hear of the expedition and its goals.

I liked listening to JC, though when the talk veers to 'bringing in my producer,' or discussing the bigfoot dna (Melba Ketchum project, I suspect, thus hardly reliable) and being zapped… ok, well they make for good stories and bring in some money. I'm certainly open to the possibilities, but there are some known problems with Ketchum and Moneymaker both to start with.

Still all the discussion about the trip, the myths and legends, the Native storytelling traditions and the Smithsonian conspiracy was engaging and fairly informative. Take it with a grain of salt and a good time can be had. I hope to see some of the video footage Chris promised; whatever the results of these expeditions, they sound like grand adventures and I'm 100% behind the spirit and goals in which they are made.

I also hope the whole casino building info gets out as fast as possible, and I'll be happy to spread it in my own small circles. A petition, with some links to videos or news stories or whatever… I'm there.
 

Jeff Crowell

Paranormal Annoyance
Okay, I've only listened to just-under half of this episode and the whole casino thing had my vision swimming with rage. Whether you're religious or not there should be common aspects of human respect toward those who are and this is a direct violation of that respect. I mean why don't we just travel to Jerusalem and build a casino on the spot they believe was Golgotha and name it "The Three Holes" casino? This type of thing is the ultimate violation, especially considering there are any number of other places out there they can build a f**kin' casino. I'm very empathetic toward the protests to this action on sacred ground, even if I, myself, hold no sacred feelings toward it, it's clear others do hold it of highest importance. I've studied the Anasazi (yes, I know the origins of that word)/pueblo people, I know what a kiva is, I know what a sippapu is, and I know these are as important to the Hopi and Zuni (believed decedents of the Hohokum, Mogillon, and Anasazi pueblo peoples) as the cross or crucifix are to Christians or Mecca is to Muslims.

If someone needs a petitioned signed to protest this action, count me in. Yeah, I'm some insignificant guy from the Midwest who has no vested interest in this, outside of protesting a violation of human respect and consciousness, but I'll still throw my voice in.

Okay.......rant over.
 

Roro

aka Arlen Royal Woods
Listening to this episode right now.

I am so glad to hear about Chris' expedition to the Grand Canyon. I have often wondered why there aren't people looking for this cave, or at least someone willing to share their experiences. So sad to hear about the illegal development and hope exposing it has the hoped for .

I heard the story of the expedition that claimed to have found the cave on a radio show years ago but never of anyone exploring that part of the canyon looking for it today. Even if Chris finds evidence that someone has hidden the opening that will be exciting. I've imagined someone finding the spot and it being fenced with a concrete wall over the opening and a securely locked steel door.

Keep up the good work Chris.
 

Schuyler

Misanthrope
" I mean why don't we just travel to Jerusalem and build a casino on the spot they believe was Golgotha and name it "The Three Holes" casino? "

Funny you should suggest that site. Because there is something already there. I was in Jerusalem last year and saw Golgotha, the rock that looks like a skull, one of the "venerated" places that might have been the site of the cross. (There's some competition there.) Just below the rock is paved with asphalt. It's a parking lot for tour busses and smells heavily of diesel exhaust.
 

trainedobserver

Paranormally Disenchanted
When I was a kid in N.C. in the 60s I heard a local barber relate a centaur story a couple of times. He was a great story teller and had quite a few on rotation. He said he had spoken to a farmer who had seen a centaur on this land apparently stealing crops or something. The only detail of the story I still remember was the farmer finding hoof marks in his freshly plowed field after a sighting. This is the only centaur sighting story I can ever remember hearing growing up or actually until this show as a matter of fact.

Chris, if you guys do find this door, and it is blocked in some way, wouldn't it require going through some incredible red tape to gain permission to excavate it?
 

Kim323

Paranormal Maven
A superb show, just superb. I enjoyed it very much. Of course, the talk of the underlying source, reason, who-built-it regarding the subterranean mystery was of some dubious proportions, but even Gene and Chris, and Johnson himself, too, were clearly limiting it to speculation and with some very real tongue in cheek humor, too. I've done some more research into it, and there is some speculation that the original newspaper article was perhaps written tongue in cheek, but who knows. What held me most was the whole setting of the interview: the Grand Canyon and that whole area. I drool when I think of actually going on such a trip myself, and for this group to have actually done it and related it to us was a treat.

The classicist in me perked up and was piqued by the stories of centaurs. It wasn't mentioned in the interview, but classical art and writing reference female centaurs. Now that would be a sight to behold anywhere, not to speak of the Southwest. Kim
 

wwkirk

Paranormal Adept
An entertaining interview. Does anyone have any links to information about the underground city? I'd like to find out more about it.
 
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Fcseven

Guest
Great show guys. It was nice to hear a Christian conservative (go Ron Paul fan) on the show for once :D. By the genetic experiments/ 18 foot skeletons he mentioned I am assuming he was talking about The Nephilim. I have no doubt all kinds of Paradigm Shifting evidence is rotting in the smithsonian basement or government warehouse.


It was a shame the native land is getting used to build some shitty casino. What a damn shame.
 

Angel of Ioren

Friendly Skeptic
There was a lot of BS discussed in this weeks episode, but the way the topics were approached made the show enjoyable. It's pretty clear that anyone in his or her right mind could not believe that there are actual centaurs roaming around, or some of the other stuff discussed.
 

Elendil

Paranormal Maven
If the Smithsonian basement is so full of wonders, why doesn't someone somehow get in, make a couple of photos and do some good ol' Internet sharing? We need some ninjas on the forum...
 

wwkirk

Paranormal Adept
There was a lot of BS discussed in this weeks episode, but the way the topics were approached made the show enjoyable. It's pretty clear that anyone in his or her right mind could not believe that there are actual centaurs roaming around, or some of the other stuff discussed.
Centaurs are pretty unbelievable. At best they are misidentifcations. But what do you make of the underground city? Was it just a hoax by the newspaper?

I should also say I was enlivened by Gene's reference to the "Mystic Barber." Decker recently did a rebroadcast of Long John Nebel's interview with him.
 

Ezechiel

Paranormal Adept
Was on a road trip and listening to this through my iPhone. JC's roaring/boisterous laughing style made the galloping centaurs more palatable LOL
 

red_pill_junkie

Paranormal Adept
Okay, I've only listened to just-under half of this episode and the whole casino thing had my vision swimming with rage. Whether you're religious or not there should be common aspects of human respect toward those who are and this is a direct violation of that respect. I mean why don't we just travel to Jerusalem and build a casino on the spot they believe was Golgotha and name it "The Three Holes" casino?
Yeah, or a friggin' Walmart just next to the great city of Teotihuacan!

Oh... wait...



In Mexico, the Wixarika (Huichol) nation is fighting to preserve their sacred site, Wirikuta mountain, from being exploited by a foreign mining industry. The Wixarika received a lot of support from musicians and other celebrities, and I bet something similar could be done for the Grand Canyon.

 

joeyk22

Skilled Investigator
Wasn't sure where to post this but Gawker has a couple stories on the attempts to develop the Grand Canyon.

Let's Build a Lot of Crapola Around the Grand Canyon, Say Idiots


When blessed with one of the most moving natural vistas on the face of the earth, the entrepreneurial heroes of America can be relied upon to do the right thing: build a bunch of crap around it to ruin the view. For $$$!

The LA Times reports on two building projects on or in the vicinity of the Grand Canyon, both of which are currently in the advanced planning stages, and both of which sound terrible. The first is a plan for "restaurants, hotels and shops" on Navajo Indian land east of the canyon's South Rim—development that would mar the view of those gazing across the canyon. The coup de grace of those development plans: a fucking elevator to the canyon floor.

The proposed Grand Canyon Escalade gondola would afford a rare opportunity for tourists to reach the canyon floor, said developer R. Lamar Whitmer, who is working with the Navajo.

The park service offers nothing more than "a drive-by wilderness experience," Whitmer said. "The average person can't ride a mule to the bottom of the canyon. We want them to feel the canyon from the bottom."

A mechanized gondola ride to the floor of the Grand Canyon, just like they have at Disney World. Spectacular idea, greedy developer R. Lamar Whitmer. "The needs of the gondola industry come first," as our nation's founders always said.

You won't want to miss the Times' story of the other development as well, which features another developer who actually got an entire town incorporated just to enable his own water-sucking development plans, a level of abuse of the spirit of our nation's laws that puts greedy developer R. Lamar Whitmer to shame in the greedy developer sweepstakes.

We can only hope that our children's children will be able to visit the Grand Canyon and take an air-conditioned ride to its parched, drought-plagued floor, all without leaving the comfort of their spaceship's snack bar.
 


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