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Is anyone else following independent research into Sandy Hook?


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Fcseven

Guest
It's Starting to look like most of the facts from the official story are suspect or false.

I was on the fence with this one but programs like this one by Clyde Lewis really make a lot of sense. This is getting crazy. I hope it's not in bad taste to link another talk show but I believe it's too important not to.
 

Muadib

Paranormal Adept
Is it more stuff about how they're connected to the LIBOR scandal (which isn't true) or how the people who are shown on the news suffering from this tragedy are character actors (which also isn't true)? So far, every conspiracy theory about this whole thing that I've heard has been completely made up. Could you perhaps summarize just what their points are so I don't have to listen to this guy's show? John Rappaport doesn't exactly inspire confidence given his stand on things like AIDS being a myth and I've heard Clyde before and the only way I could describe him is like Alex Jones but worse, if that's even possible.
 

Secretbanana

Skilled Investigator
Personally I'm blown away by the whole Sandy Hook thing.

The fact that someone can be dumb or ignorant or gullible enough, to actually believe that it might have been a "government set up" or "government operation" is simply staggering...

It takes a major leap of faith and overlooking of facts to really believe that "they" made it happen.
 

Bob Watson

Paranormal Adept
Let's see...
Guy kills his mom
Then goes to the school
Then kills 27 including 20 kids...
Where is there room for doubt?
Where is the gov involved?
20 kids are DEAD! Case closed!
 

Muadib

Paranormal Adept
If you haven't heard Biedny's rant on this, check out: Internet Radio: Rockland World Radio - Angry Human ( from 12/18/12 ).

As usual, David makes some excellent points, especially about how it's no wonder that the de-funding of education mixed with the ridiculousness of the mass media has led to some of our citizens having a less than tenuous grasp on reality.

Conspiracy theories are popular surrounding events like this because they enable people to make sense of a senseless tragedy, they provide easy answers and convenient scapegoats. It enables people to see things in black and white and eschew the responsibility that we as a society bear for the terrible things that happen in this world. That's a tough pill to swallow, most would rather just pin the blame on some nebulous concept of scum and villainy like the NWO, Illuminati or the devil.
 

Secretbanana

Skilled Investigator
What about the medical examiner? You're watching an unedited news conference (Unedited besides the first part of the video,which was edited to make him look bad on purpose) with a guy who is not used to being on camera or deal with a media scrum like that.

If anything, if "they" had conspired to pull Sandy Hook off, and "they" had set up is conference, you'd expect him to act completely different.

A person seeing this video as suspicious or proof of any foul play, is a person who has lost their grip on reality...
 

Secretbanana

Skilled Investigator
What do you make of this one folks


What do you make of this one folks



What's to make of it? Have you ever been around people who have lost close family members? Sometimes they laugh one minute and cry the next.

"But he's smiling!"

And? You've taken a five second shot of a man in the process of grieving that means absolutely nothing. If you tape any family member, who have just lost a loved one, 24 hours of the day, you're bound to get a shot of them laughing in the middle of all the grieving. We all react in different ways, and there is nothing unusual about crying hysterically one minute, and laughing the next, when people's emotions are so raw.

Frankly, only someone who spends 24 hours a day down in the basement, blocking "their" mind control rays with their trusty tinfoil hat (Cause we all know how "they" are scared of people researching crazy, conspiracy theories) would think that a reaction visiting both extremes of the emotional spectrum is unusual or "suspicious".
 

mike

Paranormal Adept
For starters i dont have a basement.

All i did was post a video and ask everyones opinion on it.

But do i find it odd ?

Yeah i do, the guy appears to be smiling and laughing one minute, then crying the next (in the full news clip version)

Ive seen grieving people, ive never seen anything like this, his kid has been shot to death.

And he's laughing ?

I dont get that, not one little bit

If you think laughing about your child having its brains blown out is "normal"
Perhaps its your grip on reality thats been lost here

Heres the full video

Some comments

Why is Robbie Parker, father of Emilie Parker, laughing and smiling as he approaches the podium to tell the world about the tragic shooting death of his daughter one day earlier?

At 2.32 Robbie Parker says" because that's the kind of daughter she is"! get it is! We lost a 4 year old daughter to a drunk driver so we know how it is to loose a child! You can't get up and talk calmly much less laugh and joke! But he said she is! Not she was but is! Something definately is wrong here!

There is no way in hell this guy isn't acting. I've never seen such crocodile tears, either. I do NOT think, in any way, that this massacre was some kind of hoax or conspiracy. I do, however, think something is very, VERY wrong with this guy. Sociopath? I'm trying really hard to find some kind of logical, reasonable explanation. The video makes me uncomfortable and nauseous.

Jezuz - Even when I lost one of my dearest friends to suicide in 2001, even *I* looked a heck of a lot worse than this guy did! My eyes were sunken in and were red, from all of the crying. I also couldn't formulate a proper sentence for the first few weeks - I was so distraught, so depressed, so overcome with emotion over what had happened!
And yet, this guy looks well rested - as in no bags or redness under his eyes! (And he's smiling & joking, just before he comes out?! Seriously - WTF!?!)

Totally & completely agree with you here, magenta! There's absolutely no way in heck this guy *isn't* acting - his whole demeanor & appearance (especially around his face & eyes) indicate that he has not been through severe emotional turmoil.
I know what severe emotional turmoil looks like - I think we all do. I think we've all either lost someone very close to us, or know someone else who has lost someone very close to them! This kind of behavior/appearance isn't normal in this situation!
 

Secretbanana

Skilled Investigator
For starters i dont have a basement.

All i did was post a video and ask everyones opinion on it.

But do i find it odd ?

Yeah i do, the guy appears to be smiling and laughing one minute, then crying the next (in the full news clip version)

Ive seen grieving people, ive never seen anything like this, his kid has been shot to death.

And he's laughing ?

I dont get that, not one little bit

If you think laughing about your child having its brains blown out is "normal"
Perhaps its your grip on reality thats been lost here
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Oh, I wasn't talking about you, since you just posted a video, and not your opinion on it. But if that's what you really think, well, if the shoe fits, wear it or however that goes.

Where did you get the idea that he's laughing about "his child having its brains blown out". All you see in the edited clip is him laughing, without any context to it, or information what just happened the preceding seconds or outside the camera.

As I mentioned, if you hang around somebody who is grieving long enough, you'll see them laugh sooner or later. But that proves nothing, except that he's reacting in a very human,mand very normal way.

You're the one who's jumping to conclusions here, and if you follow those conclusions logically, you'll see how ridiculous your suggestion is.
 

mike

Paranormal Adept
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Robbie Parker – father of Connecticut shooting 6 year old victim Emilie Parker – seems to be smiling a little too much at the beginning of his statement, and in my opinion isn’t showing any forehead or eyebrow movements associated with sadness or grief. Baring this in mind, I don’t have a baseline of Robbie Parker’s normal behaviour, so I’m basing this post on what I consider “unusual” behaviour under the circumstances.
In the clip below Robbie Parker is seen smiling and laughing before he takes several deep breaths (which could be interpreted as getting himself into the right “grief” state of mind) just before he starts his statement. I’m not saying he’s lying– I am suggesting that this is very unusual behaviour.

robbie.jpg


Charles Harris says:
December 22, 2012 at 5:43 pm
I am hearing-impaired and have been all my Life. It wasn’t until about 10 years ago that I discovered what my ability to “read faces” was called.
This struck me as “not right.” I had the same reaction to an interview with one of the mothers of a victim. There is not enough stress in their faces. Perhaps it is vallium to help them cope.




Robbie Parker Statement “Off”? | The Blog for Stu Dunn
 

Secretbanana

Skilled Investigator
Ah, microexpressions... A newer and sexier version of polygraph tests, but just as controversial.

"Although they seem to show themselves involuntarily and are hard to fake, microexpressions are highly subject to influences from the surrounding environment. In other words, that sudden facial twitch might have been a lie......or it could have been a mild stroke, you just can't tell."

Influences from surrounding environments? Like gee, I don't know... A dozen cameras and photographers and 20-30 journalists and photographers for example?

But besides that, shall we review what Stu Dunn (The "behavioral analysts" youre quoting) says about the father of the victim? His conclusion is, that he doesn't have a baseline, AND THEREFORE CANT REALLY DRAW ANY CONCLUSIONS, but his behavior seems unusual. "Why? Perhaps he’s on Valium to calm him down. Perhaps he’s so depressed and sleep deprived that he’s acting strangely. Maybe this is his normal behaviour."

So what's your point here? We have a 20 second video clip of a guy acting unusually under extremely unusual and stressful circumstances. If your point is, that people might react in all sorts of ways when they're grieving, and something like this can happen, then yup, I agree with you.
 

mike

Paranormal Adept
My point is that this

robbie.jpg


Strikes me, and a great many others as an odd look, for someone who has just learned his little child has been shot and killed.

I made a choice not to have children, but whenever ive lost a beloved pet, my face never looked like that.
 

RenaissanceLady

Paranormal Adept
For starters i dont have a basement.

All i did was post a video and ask everyones opinion on it.

But do i find it odd ?

Yeah i do, the guy appears to be smiling and laughing one minute, then crying the next (in the full news clip version)

Ive seen grieving people, ive never seen anything like this, his kid has been shot to death.

And he's laughing ?

I dont get that, not one little bit

If you think laughing about your child having its brains blown out is "normal"
Perhaps its your grip on reality thats been lost here

Mike, I only just lost my father on the early morning hours of January 13th. In the horror and sorrow of getting THAT phone call at 2:30 in the morning, followed by hysterical crying, booking as a one-way the first available flight out of state, packing like an insane woman, a two-hour drive to Denver International Airport and a two-hour flight to Houston, coupled with the need to be strong for family and all of the funeral arrangements, there were times I found myself joking and laughing.

This doesn't negate true grief.

While in Houston, I stayed with my mother to keep her strong (even though my brother and his wife stayed at a plush hotel). I became the de facto person who made the funeral arrangements though nothing was legally in my name, struggling and failing to get a rabbi for the services. (Dad was Jewish though not actively practicing, being very secular while not even attending a Reform synagogue in at least 20 years). I had to get an interfaith minister I never heard of to do the services, even though he knew almost nothing about Judaism. I wrote the obituary which went on-line - and which the minister used as his eulogy probably because he just couldn't be bothered to use the information I gave him. I identified my father's body before the funeral as an identification is required prior to a cremation, causing me to nearly have a total melt down. This is mostly because I had never allowed myself time for grief as I was trying to be strong for my mother, though seeing him lying dead was almost more than I could bear. I was frustrated and saddened with problems by the funeral home - a back-logged crematory meant we had an empty urn for the funeral and it would be much later before Dad's ashes would be interred. Still, even after this, there were times I found myself joking and laughing, even giggling at certain times during the funeral.

This doesn't negate true grief.

I became seriously (though not contagiously) ill while staying in Houston, which meant I had to book a last-minute return flight home even though I had sworn to stay with my mother until Dad's ashes were interred (my brother had decided to only stay a week, which again means mother would have only had me). The next day, I discovered I had something called "chemical pneumonia" which occurred due to problems I encountered while in Houston. First thing this morning, I got a phone call from the doctor saying that the D-Dimer test, which tests for blood clots and possible pulmonary embolism, came back as a low positive. While inflammation can cause false positives, I needed to get into Denver for an immediate CT-scan, the results of which have not yet been released. I also learned that Dad's interment will finally be happening this Saturday at 3pm CST - just a few hours shy of being two full weeks since his death. So much for trying to keep any of this even remotely Jewish. While Dad was secular and I'm certainly secular, we still paid honor to certain traditions and culture. I'm the only one in my family who speaks any Hebrew and I'm the only one left who ever has attended Reform (secular) synagogue, so I had wanted to at least privately offer certain prayers out of respect to my Dad and his heritage. As I was ill and had to book an emergency flight back to Colorado from Houston, this did not occur. Even though I am heartbroken by my Dad's death, the many problems with the funeral and cremation, having to leave my mother in the middle of all of this, coming down with a serious illness and waiting to hear if I have a potentially fatal blood clot in or near my lungs, I've still found myself laughing and joking.

This doesn't negate true grief, serious illness, anxiety nor even fright.

I told a relative that I feel there is supposed to be an invisible contract between daddies and their daughters, which states that daddies will always be daddies even when daughters grow up. Even though I've written in the past that my dad was considerably (almost 58 years) older than I, I still thought this contract was in place. I knew that he had been in lousy health during the past several months yet this still felt entirely unexpected. Add into my misery that I had originally planned on going to Houston to visit Dad on January 11th but I decided to put off the travel for a month due to my work demands and because we all thought he was doing better. If I had traveled according to plan, I would have seen him one last time, hours before his death. In spite of all of this, there are times when I've laughed. Indeed, we've all laughed even when overwhelmed by grief. It isn't that we're mean or fickle but rather we're remembering happy times, or those things which would have made Dad laugh if he were still with us. There were also times we had no choice but to laugh at the absurdity of it all. I'm still alternating between, shock, acceptance and grief, coupled with happy memories and a small comfort that at least Dad is no longer suffering.

Human emotions are like that. We're complex creatures who are capable of feeling many contradictory feelings all at once. A grieving parent may recall a happy time with another grieving parent and laugh, yet still be overcome by the reality of loss.
 

Secretbanana

Skilled Investigator
Have you ever followed that train of thought to its conclusion?

If "they" really had hired actors (whether professional or not) to portray grieving parents, neighbors, etc. then those actors would have to come from somewhere. Somebody would recognize them from a movie, from having worked with them, or from being their friends and family. It would come out in the open. It would never, never, N E V E R work.
Why take that risk at all, if you are one of "them"'planning the shooting?

Or do you perhaps suggest that they used the passengers of flight 93 in the part?

I'm really offended by speculation about Sandy Hook being a government operation of some kind. Not because of the victims, or because its "too soon" but just because its so darn dumb.
 

mike

Paranormal Adept
RenaissanceLady, sorry for your loss, and again to hear you're in poor health.

Your post does help put things in perspective, Its not been my experience to laugh during the grieving period, but since its yours. I have to give Parker the benefit of the doubt.

Ive never said Sandy hook didnt happen, just that i find Parkers behaviour outside that of my own experience.

Thanks for taking the time to share your experience
 

boomerang

Paranormal Adept
People in a state of emotional shock can be expected to behave in erratic and unexpected ways. Factor in the scope if this incident, age of the victims and crushing media attention, and mood swings and confusion are almost sure to result.

The only thing that puzzles me about this horrible tragedy is how little the public has been told about the perpetrator. My take is that this is being done to minimize making him into some kind of twisted martyr in the eyes of latent loonies. But our natural curiosity about who these weirdos are and what sets them off is left unfulfilled.
 

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