maninblack
Paranormal Novice
How long will America last as a country? Have you considered moving from America? If so, where? I think the USA is doomed.
-
NEW! LOWEST RATES EVER -- SUPPORT THE SHOW AND ENJOY THE VERY BEST PREMIUM PARACAST EXPERIENCE! Welcome to The Paracast+, eight years young! For a low subscription fee, you can download the ad-free version of The Paracast and the exclusive, member-only, After The Paracast bonus podcast, featuring color commentary, exclusive interviews, the continuation of interviews that began on the main episode of The Paracast. We also offer lifetime memberships! Flash! Take advantage of our lowest rates ever! Act now! It's easier than ever to susbcribe! You can sign up right here!
Is America Doomed?
- Thread starter maninblack
- Start date
jpw.in.wi
Still Seeking Samantha
The world is a very small place. No matter where you flee to, you'll never totally escape the barbarians. They will always be in the forests considering different strategies for storming the gates of your islands of safety and security, and island hopping is no way to live. At some point, you've got to stand your ground and fight for all you hold dear. And have confidence that good will win out in the end, no matter how deep and complete the darkness may seem.
I've traveled quite a bit in my short life, and as much as I love some other countries and cultures, America is my home and my mother. I feel such a love and loyalty for this land, the land where my forefathers sacrificed so much so that I might inherit the life and liberty that I will pass on to my children, that the only way I would ever leave her is in a pinewood box.
Don't despair, and don't abandon her. She needs you. So many have already given so much. Don't dishonor them by giving in to fear and selfishness ...
I've traveled quite a bit in my short life, and as much as I love some other countries and cultures, America is my home and my mother. I feel such a love and loyalty for this land, the land where my forefathers sacrificed so much so that I might inherit the life and liberty that I will pass on to my children, that the only way I would ever leave her is in a pinewood box.
Don't despair, and don't abandon her. She needs you. So many have already given so much. Don't dishonor them by giving in to fear and selfishness ...
skunkape
Paranormal Maven
America as it has existed for some time is done. Get over it. It never was what you thought it was. Patriotism is but one of many yokes our slave-masters use to guide the direction the plows get pulled. I am my own sovereign nation anywhere I am standing. Borders are just the point that rival gangs got tired of fighting. Anyone who still believes 'The American Way' is the best way to go about the game of Life just isn't using their imagination.
<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
More Danny Byrd
Paranormal Novice
Some here may call me a sucker, jpw, but I found your response moving.
thetruthisoutthere
Skilled Investigator
I think not only America but the world in general is doomed. I am a definite cynic and unless something changes my attitude will remain the same. As far as being a patriot I think that America is better off than most other countries and am grateful for having been born here for that reason otherwise.
More Danny Byrd
Paranormal Novice
A reasonable perspective from one who lived through both WW1 and WW2.
jpw.in.wi
Still Seeking Samantha
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but Einstein was referring to the nationalistic war factories that those men in my previous posts fought and died to defeat. Or, are we saying America is the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy, and then the absolutely off-the-charts death mill / party-state called the USSR?
skunkape
Paranormal Maven
That is precisely the moral stance that I see the collective population of this piece of land called the USA is taking at present...at least in the eyes of the world.And, correct me if I'm wrong, are we saying America is the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy, and then the absolutely off-the-charts death mill / party-state called the USSR?
=???
<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
cottonzway
I was saying boo-urns
Deep topic to me. Some people laugh it off and I say to those people that they should learn history. The failure of empires is something that has happened EVERY time in civilization. Hegemonic states fail, it happens every time in history.
I think we are on that path, however I think there is a big difference between past empires and America. To put if in simple terms, America was born with the right of their citizens to be legally armed. I think this, the threat of this, is what will save America after some really bad times.
It may come to violence in order to protect the country, but that obviously is not what anyone sane wants. Countries fail within, as the US is, and that is the concern for the US. The threat of arms and a really informed population among those who are trained with firearms will keep the ideologies that those who are trying their best to ruin my country, not matter how much hate they have in their heart for America while posing as patriots.
The military and law enforcement will not go along with any ideas like that. This is not Nazi Germany or Communist Russia/China. No matter how much our foreign policy is fucked up, in large those who serve this country love American principals, they are not turning their guns on Americans. That is what truly ruins a country and that will not happen in the US.
As far as we have fallen, there are still millions of good people who when the monetary system fails will not turn to socialism/globalism ideologies for answers. It’s going to be painful and take years to rebuild America in the concept that our actual laws were written, not what the fake “Conservatives” or “Liberals” violate daily.
I love my country and I am not willing to let it go quietly into the night. So I speak my mind and use my voice like our founders gave us the RIGHT to do so in order to save her.
I think we are on that path, however I think there is a big difference between past empires and America. To put if in simple terms, America was born with the right of their citizens to be legally armed. I think this, the threat of this, is what will save America after some really bad times.
It may come to violence in order to protect the country, but that obviously is not what anyone sane wants. Countries fail within, as the US is, and that is the concern for the US. The threat of arms and a really informed population among those who are trained with firearms will keep the ideologies that those who are trying their best to ruin my country, not matter how much hate they have in their heart for America while posing as patriots.
The military and law enforcement will not go along with any ideas like that. This is not Nazi Germany or Communist Russia/China. No matter how much our foreign policy is fucked up, in large those who serve this country love American principals, they are not turning their guns on Americans. That is what truly ruins a country and that will not happen in the US.
As far as we have fallen, there are still millions of good people who when the monetary system fails will not turn to socialism/globalism ideologies for answers. It’s going to be painful and take years to rebuild America in the concept that our actual laws were written, not what the fake “Conservatives” or “Liberals” violate daily.
I love my country and I am not willing to let it go quietly into the night. So I speak my mind and use my voice like our founders gave us the RIGHT to do so in order to save her.
skunkape
Paranormal Maven
They'll never take Texas. You think those cave-dwellars in Afghanistan are a rowdy bunch? Bring it on D.C. You will make the U.S. military look like a bunch of punk-ass sissies if you try to roll over this piece of turf.
<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
maninblack
Paranormal Novice
This is a great country. I just wonder how long it can last.
skunkape
Paranormal Maven
Until the end. Then we'll start over.
<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"><input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
jpw.in.wi
Still Seeking Samantha
Great post! I would just add that the most important thing we have that sets us apart, and I think your post alludes to this, is The Constitution. Public officials, soldiers, they all swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Such oaths mean something, and there can be meaningful consequences for violating them. Servicemen shall not obey illegitimate/unjust orders, and public officials can and do become the domestic enemies of the Republic, and there are avenues for dealing with them all.
Our actions are subordinate to a higher order and not to the whims of the individual personalities or political parties that happen to be holding the reigns of civil power. Our founding documents admit that "Human Rights" exist. We are not just a bunch of eggs that officials can crack with impunity in order to make their omeletts. And from time to time, we need to remind them of that
CapnG
Devil's Advocate
I tend to think Einstein was speaking generally. I mean if anyone would know, he would.
What does moral equivelancy have to do with it? All soldiers carry guns, don't they? Nationalism is always the same, everywhere, only the desired goals and the steps taken to achieve them differ to fit the mood of that nation's populace.
What does moral equivelancy have to do with it? All soldiers carry guns, don't they? Nationalism is always the same, everywhere, only the desired goals and the steps taken to achieve them differ to fit the mood of that nation's populace.
cottonzway
I was saying boo-urns
Nationalism is NOT the same everywhere. Explain that?
What was Nationalism to a German solider in 1940? What is is to many of our own troops?
http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/
There are millions of people in the military who have that mindset. I know many of them that I know are of this mindset. They supported Ron Paul. Not brainwashed goons. Not willing to carry out illegal orders. We have made horrible mistakes, but we are not in large Nazis or Commies. When they fuck up it's in intention of protection of their own country, in their own mind. They are not going to turn their own guns on Americans. Peroid.
CapnG
Devil's Advocate
Okie-doke.
Nationalism as a philosophy says to the citizen the following: The country is your GOD. Worship the flag; wrap yourself, your home and everything you own in it. All who would serve the country are heroes (regardless of their actual actions). You must worship them too. Do not doubt your country in any way- it is superior to all others. Above all, do not tolerate those who question any aspect of the country. They are unpatriotic cowards and may even be traitors. Deride and belittle them until they see the light or are removed.
Explain to ME how that is not relevant to modern day America (although perhaps less now than during the last administration) and how that is not the same attitude of citizens of NAZI Germany, the USSR, Mussolini's Italy or any other country where nationalist ideals are upheld?
I'm simply holding the mirror up. If you don't like what you see, that's your problem.
cottonzway
I was saying boo-urns
I hold a mirror up and see a man who speaks as honest here as he feels.
WTF are you talking about, Cap?
Nationalism in the case of Americans who are trained and own guns is not like any other country on earth now or history. Every other country or time in history you mentioned did not have a 2nd Amendment and a GUN CULTURE like America. It also didn't have the armed forces that are in public saying NO to any even slight suggestion of turning the apparatus inwards on it's own citizens.
Apples and oranges.
WTF are you talking about, Cap?
Nationalism in the case of Americans who are trained and own guns is not like any other country on earth now or history. Every other country or time in history you mentioned did not have a 2nd Amendment and a GUN CULTURE like America. It also didn't have the armed forces that are in public saying NO to any even slight suggestion of turning the apparatus inwards on it's own citizens.
Apples and oranges.