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Disclosure of mangled Osama Bin Laden picture

Discussion in 'General Freewheeling Chit-Chat' started by Ezechiel, May 2, 2011.



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  1. Ezechiel

    Ezechiel Paranormal Adept

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    Main US Navy argument for not disclosing the pictures: They're gruesome. (bwahahaha)

    If they disclosed them they'd also have to release the pics of mangled Roswell aliens LMAO !!!
     
  2. Ezechiel

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    I've got a solution for Obama:

    Show the pictures to muslim religious leaders and let them decide if disclosure is appropriate.

    Any US judgment on how to deal with the photo and video 'hot potato' would send the wrong message and could ignite more fires.

    ... my 2 cents lol
     
  3. Ezechiel

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04/osama-bin-laden-pictures_n_857568.html
    Ok.... so I get your drift. Its ok to watch americans jump to their deaths from the twin towers on national TV and it is also ok to feed conspirationists.

    You're the one who talked about transparency ?! lol

    Its a one track show here guys and its all about manipulation and propaganda. Using the 'decency' argument only when it fits your agenda is intellectually dishonest and screams to every american: sorry guys and gals, you are not mature enough to deal with reality and the horrors of war. (or anything outside the cosy box by the way) ... this stuff is now classified.

    At this exact moment there should be a massive parade in Virginia (that's where the SEALS are based) in respect of the enormous financial and human sacrifices made in the last 10 years.

    Now that is what I call closure !!!
     
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    There is no need to be ghoulish about the whole business but historically the United States has always shown the results of war. To not show the OBL death photo would be a departure from our policy in the past and a large mistake I believe. I'm not interested in seeing the thing myself, I have enough horrible imagery I'm trying to forget already. (Anyone else catch The Third Reich, The Fall on the History channel the other week?) The lunatics don't need an excuse to riot and kill innocents. They do it at the drop of hat over cartoons and films for Pete's sake! We shouldn't even consider what impact the release of the photo might have on insane people like that. You cannot appease sociopaths and homicidal fanatics no matter what you do. It shouldn't be a consideration.
     
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    First I supported Obama for president and despised "still do" the whole damn bush political machine so the "racist" card can't be played here.

    Now, with that said I have to wonder how much more snarky the media and some other libs would be if the shoe were on the other foot. I wonder how much yelling for "media access" and "facism" would be made if the shoe were on the other foot. Sorry, but I am an AMERICAN. No offense to the British or the Canadiens or the Australians but as an American the blood of my family and friends who fought under this flag was for government Of the People and For the people. Not for a selected few to hide behind the "national security" shield everytime it's not politically expedient to disclose something. I will however defer to any veterans such as Don Ecker or others who actually fought and bled and would love to hear a veteran take on the subject.
     
  7. Decker

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    Okay, since you asked ....

    War is shit in it's purest form. It is mostly boredom mixed with moments of the most mind numbing horror you can imagine. It is watching friends that, in that moment, are closer than family, die. Guys you might never want to enter your home in a peaceful setting, but that you would risk your life for. And, they would do the same for you.

    To try to explain the process to someone that never experienced it is impossible. 7 years ago I wrote a blog entry on "combat" because of a request then by my buddy and co-host on the first DMR, Dwight Schultz. The US had already gone into Iraq and the Left was going after Bush ... hammer and tong. Dwight wanted me to explain to the audience that the soldiers had nothing to say about where they are sent, and this was done in light of how US veterans were treated by the public upon returning from Viet Nam. You may or may not remember that but I do.

    My attitude on war is this ... If you (the nation) enters a war .. you do it for one reason and one reason only ... to fucking win it! You win it in the absolutely shortest time possible ... which means you go in big and you go in rough ... and you kill every mother-fu*ker in your way that could be considered a combatant. You make the war too expensive for the other guy. You turn the job over to the professionals, the top military leadership, you get the Pelosi's, Reid's, the Grahams and the fucking lawyers out of the mix. The enemy we face today make a point to kill "soft targets", they bomb pizza parlors, shoping centers, vacation retreats, try to knock down airliners and God help us if they ever get their hands on a WMD and smuggle it into the US. If that happens, then we will see how the public feel about things like water boarding, putting panties on some captured turds head, or reading them their rights on the fucking battlefield.

    According to the Geneva Convention these combatants are illegal anyway. A few years ago they could have been shot on the spot if captured on the battlefield as non-uniformed illegal combatants. They do not represent any nation, are civilians and carrying weapons and are murdering mostly civilians. When the bull shit starts here in the US, and I fear it will, lets see how the US public will react to all this PC horse shit.

    Okay you asked, I answered.

    Decker
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    Thanks Don. Another reason I might lean a little to the left at times but could never embrace it. I also agree about war. Either get in and win it or leave it alone. We have to many men and women dying while the politicans play and cut deals. I also was wondering what you felt about the pics of osama and if they should be shown. Again, yes I did ask and I'm glad I did. I also appreciate your answer.
     
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    Couldn't agree more Don. This PC horseshit is putting our military in great danger.
     
  10. Angel of Ioren

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    Wow, is all I can say. But I live in the Socialist Republic of Quebec and a lot of what happens to the south of me boggles my mind.
     
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    Well, for all of you folks that think my remarks were over the top, I simply have one question for you. How do you think we won World War II and in the process defeated Japan, Germany and Italy? Hmmm?
    And did it in approx. 4 years?

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    Don, I wasn't talking about that at all. Two different topics, but you can change the topic if you wish.

    That was a completely different war, in a completely different time, with a different type of enemy. If you are comparing a war where the United States was neutral until they were attacked, vs the war in Iraq that was started by the United States on false pretenses, I'd like to hear it.

    Keep in mind I know people in the military and I have no issues with what the troops in Afghanistan are trying to do - there was a reason to go there - to find Bin Laden.
    However, if you can show me how the war in Iraq was not started by the United States on false pretenses, I will listen. Let me ask you a question:

    How many people would have LIVED if the war in Iraq would not have started and diplomacy would have been used to find out if there were weapons of mass destruction?

    I just find the right wing social mentality of the United States bizarre. Every man for himself! What's the unemployment rate? People could use some social services to help them out.
     
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    I completely disagree with the statement that we go into war to win it in the shortest amount of time.
     
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    Right they've disclosed the hanging of Saddam Hussein hanging and the corpses of his two sons in all its gruesome detail but they won't release the photo's of the corpse of osama obama "cough " i mean bin laden
     
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    I think it is stunning that we managed to resolve WWII in such a comparatively short time. Th e present War on Terror seems for all practical purposes unwinable or unresolvable in any traditional sense. It seems to me we need to redefine it. We also need to get out of Afghanistan and Pakistan now and withdraw all aid to both of them. It is absolutely insane that we are paying these people off to the tune of billions of dollars.
     
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    The War on Terror basically classes anyone who doesn't agree with the USA as a enemy , the only way to finish it will be the collapse of the USA as a superpower
     
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    That's a pretty narrow view of things. You are kidding yourself if you think the "collapse of the USA as a superpower' would be good for anyone on the planet. What needs to happen is a change of policy and direction. Something that is theoretically possible in the United States. That is what everyone should hope for rather than "a collapse" of any nation much less the United States of America.
    Sheesh.
     
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    Don is right that if you fight a war, you should be in it to win it. But the U.S. hasn't been in a winnable war since WWII. Since then, all our military action has been global policing, nation building, humanitarian (kind of an oxymoron, but that was essentially what the Balkans conflict was about), etc. These military actions were not winnable because there was nothing to win. There was no final goal. When was the last time Congress declared war? Hmm...oh yeah, WWII. Germany was pretty much doomed to lose after 1943. It was just a matter of time. The U.S. went in and sacrificed tens of thousands of lives in short order to "get 'er done". But even the "winning" of WWII put us directly into another war of sorts -- the Cold War. And I personally prefer cold war to hot war. As Churchill said: Jaw-jaw is always better than war-war.

    So what is this War on Terror? What would it look like to win this (undeclared) war? The War on Terror seems very much like the Endless War concept in "1984". The Endless War is the great distraction of the public from what the government is really doing (which is most often picking your pocket). It always surprises me that people here who very often see government cover-ups and abuses of power about the UFO phenomenon naively trust the government in a matter like the War On Terror. I guess it's because it's about those nasty Ay-rabs -- the New Enemy -- the great distractor of the public.

    Someone mentioned the U.S. now having to go to war with Pakistan because they are essentially pro-Taliban and sympathetic to Al-Quaeda (which is true). Funny though to consider what a strategic gem Pakistan would be for America to control. Iraq-Afghanistan-Pakistan--and maybe soon Iran?-- a huge American sphere of influence conveniently controlling drugs and oil -- the two top commodities in the world.

    Conspiracy theory? Maybe. But if any young person asked me, I would say to stay away from the military. You really don't want to be the stooge of American-corporate hegemony. And if you are a rah-rah military type, I suggest you read "War Is A Racket" by Maj. General Smedley Butler, USMC.

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf
     
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    I do support left wing agendas usually, but when comes to AL-Qaeda i personally believe no mercy should be given to this people. Lot of innocent people have died by the hand of these people. How can you not wish for such people be destroyed for good?

    Now Iraq was fought for all the wrong reasons and that is why lot of people outside of the states started to question, was this a war about terror or oil? But what is done is done, hopefully Iraq will emerge a better place in the future?

    I hope American haven't gone insane and will soon fight a war with Pakistan. I hope the American population are aware of how many Pakistani civilians have died because of Al-Qaeda? And surely America isn't stupid to go and fight a war with a country that has a estimate 150 nuclear weapons + stockpile. The only reason Pakistan allows such actions to go on by America military, is because both countries are fighting the same enemy!

    I have a keen interest in World War 2. My opinion is the reason the allies won World WAR2 is Hitler got greedy it not to say the allies would not have won eventually. But Hitler overstretched his armies, if he left Russia alone the Uk would have fallen by 1942-1943. But we all in the Western World should still remember the men and women who died in fighting this evil regime.
     
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