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Are Ufologists being murdered ?


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Maury Island case . . . still very interesting mostly because of the Air Force investigators' plane crash.

Phil Schneider . . . not the least bit interesting. Don't know why this blatant fraud is still pumped up as some kind of legit whistleblower.
 
manxman said:
ruppelt was one, after bluebook, he published his own book's, talked more than he should have, and died of a heart-attack at 37.

The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, The UFO Report: The Shocking Truth!


infact if they live longer than a year after making sensational claims, their bullshitters.
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You forget there was a revised version of Ruppelt's book in which he kind of backtracked on the implications of UFO reality in the other chapters. That being the case, it would seem less probable that his death was anything more than a premature death of heart disease. We weren't so capable of monitoring one's condition in those days, and maybe he didn't even have any symptoms. Who knows!
 
gene, there was an extra 3 chapters added in the revised edition, hyneck said he was pressured into adding them by the airforce, and when i say if they live more than a year i mean whistle-blowers or witnesses, if they are still making claims years later they are bullshitters, otherwise they would be dead, its big boys games, played by big boys rulz.
 
Frank Stalter said:
There's no doubt in my mind Maury Island was initially a hoax, but what all went on with Arnold and everyone else was just incredibly strange and tragic.
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I often wonder, though, whether Ray Palmer's influence over Arnold resulted in a story that was somewhat exaggerated, to put it mildly. It does imply intelligence agency involvement, but not necessarily related to UFOs.
 
manxman said:
gene, there was an extra 3 chapters added in the revised edition, hyneck said he was pressured into adding them by the airforce, and when i say if they live more than a year i mean whistle-blowers or witnesses, if they are still making claims years later they are bullshitters, otherwise they would be dead.
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I know that, which is what I wrote above. Keyhoe also claimed, in one of his books, that Ruppelt was under severe pressure to add those chapters, but that doesn't mean the pressure should have been enough to cause his death. Wouldn't the publication of the revised edition satisfy his military bosses?
 
he had his first heart attack before the additional chapters were added, theres pressure, and theres pressure, but im just guessing, how many people do you know have heart attacks in their early 30s.
 
Gene Steinberg said:
I often wonder, though, whether Ray Palmer's influence over Arnold resulted in a story that was somewhat exaggerated, to put it mildly. It does imply intelligence agency involvement, but not necessarily related to UFOs.
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When you had the Kenneth Arnold expert on The Paracast was not his information directly from the horse's mouth or was it from reading other texts? The story told regarding the Maury Island spook operation surrounding Arnold included the hotel room he was in being booked mysteriously in advance for him, the bugging of the room and, most surreal of all, the secretary's house that went from a functional living/office space to suddenly an abandoned cobweb zone. Was all that not directly from Arnold; because, that was just entirely bizarre and suggested the plane crash was possibly more than just a crash. Was there not also some serious tampering with Arnold's plane as well?

But on the thread side of things I'm unaware of any credible evidence that ufologists have ever been in anyone's crosshairs. This really does sound like making something out of nothing and possibly an inappropriate look at the deaths of these people. I thought Redfern said he was going to explore human fatalities involving UFO's i.e. pilots not actual ufologists.
 
it wasnt just the 2 intel men tho was it.

As they were returning to their base at Hamilton Field, California, the port engine of their B-25 aircraft caught fire and they were killed when he crashed near Kelso, Washington State. An anonymous caller to the local newspaper, named the victims before the crash was made public and claimed the aircraft was shot down by a 20mm cannon because it was carrying fragments of a flying saucer.”

When Kenneth Arnold took off from Tacoma, his engine failed and he had to make a crash landing. On checking his aircraft, he found that his fuel valve had been switched off. Paul Lance, a reporter for the Tacoma Times, who covered this story, died suddenly two weeks later of meningitis.”

“Ufologists today now think this was an elaborate hoax that got out of hand, and could have been instigated by a US intelligence agency to discredit Kenneth Arnold’s original sighting.”
 
mike said:
Are UFO experts being murdered? New book to investigate 'pattern' of deaths

A new book, Close Encounters of the Fatal Kind by Nick Redfern, is due out this summer.

Are UFO experts being murdered? New book to investigate 'pattern' of deaths - Yahoo News UK

I look forward to Nicks return to the Paracast to give us the details
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I like Nick's work and I'm looking forward to reading this one. Nick is entertaining and he has a genuine talent for ferreting out the mysterious. But what I really want to know is: Does this man ever sleep? Does he type out two books at once simultaneously using two different word processors? Inquiring minds want to know ! :eek: :)
 
mike said:
A new book, Close Encounters of the Fatal Kind by Nick Redfern, is due out this summer.

Are UFO experts being murdered? New book to investigate 'pattern' of deaths - Yahoo News UK
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This might be the first one of his books that I might actually be interested in. The rest struck me more like survey books; a collection of topics with only enough write up to whet a curiosity to find a book written indepth by someone else. Please enlighten me if I am wrong. I have heard a number of interviews with Redfern,. I remain unimpressed and not at all tempted to find his books. So many other authors' interviews compel me to punch in an author's website or Amazon before the end of the interview. Not Redfern. I don't understand his popularity.
 
zaphrella said:
This might be the first one of his books that I might actually be interested in. The rest struck me more like survey books; a collection of topics with only enough write up to whet a curiosity to find a book written indepth by someone else. Please enlighten me if I am wrong. I have heard a number of interviews with Redfern,. I remain unimpressed and not at all tempted to find his books. So many other authors' interviews compel me to punch in an author's website or Amazon before the end of the interview. Not Redfern. I don't understand his popularity.
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I think, as boomerang pointed out, Redfern's skills are trifold: he ferrets out unique information in an extraordinary manner that allows him to connect dots unconnected to date; he is a strong writer and excellent interview subject - never offends and always pleases; and he can crank out the goods in a very professional manner.

I also find him to be a little more of a survey writer than innovator, giving us perspectives on historical elements but not really challenging the reader or staking out his own ground through claims, opinions or fresh insights. There's a lot of suggestiveness to his work and high entertainment value. For me though, from what I've seen about this latest book, there appears to be more emphasis on hype and possible evil. In his interviews the most consistent position he holds is, "you never know; it could be..."
 
I agree with Marduk. Redfern may be a cool person but his books are entertainment only.

Why would anyone want to target Ufologists? The overwhelming majority of Ufologists have zero credibility in science and academia. This is especially true of the ones who mix the paranormal into their "research."

As far as Phil Schneider goes, I do not believe he was murdered. Rumor is he was doing the whole "auto-erotic asphyxiation"-thing when he had a stroke. I don't believe he was murdered because he was caught in too many lies. When you are discredited there is no point in trying to off someone. A lot of people don't understand this. You are only as good as your credibility. Once your credibility is ruined, and trust me most of the celebrity Ufologists have zero credibility, you are no longer a threat. It's the same thing with Stan Romanek. Why would DHS want to frame him with child porn when he has zero credibility after being caught in multiple hoaxes?
 
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Are bankers particularly with security and IT expertise, people who work in cryptography, microbiologists, and scientists who worked for Marconi and SDI being murdered?
 
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