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Abduction surveillance

Topher

topherlouisiana
I am new to the Paracast and have never participated in any kind of forum or chat for that matter. My question is concerning longterm alien abductions. Has a life long a ducte ever set up a digital survielence camera in the bedroom or other parts of the house and review it every day. If one was to do this I would imagine the recording could have a time stamp on it to see if the machine recording time matched up with the amount of time of sleep. I'm sure this has been done before but I have never heard of such a case.
 

Schuyler

Misanthrope
Welcome to the forums, Topher. I have personally never heard of that being done. My cousin did that when he stuck a camera in a tree to record the building of his house. It would seem a natural to do, technically.
 

jkoci

Watcher of the Skies
I have never heard of anyone trying that either however there is the Black Forest case. As I remember this was shot via surveillance camera. I'm sure it has been posted before on our forums.

 

Hoffmeister

There is no spoon
Stan Romanek has done so with some hilarious results. Ofcourse everything he has done is a complete hoax but if you can find the BBC's 'Danny Dyer - I believe in ufo's' anywhere on the internet you get to see what he reckons was his abduction surveilance video.

But no, I dont think there ever has been any real ones done, and thats just another reason in the long list of reasons why I think that abductions are more than likely just bunk
 

CapnG

Devil's Advocate
There have been anecdotal reports of abductees setting up cameras but something always seems to go wrong. The timer doesn't go off, the power goes out, VCRs mysteriously have no tapes in them, etc. One report even had the abductee get up out of bed and sleep-walk out of range of the camera before being abducted.

This would tend to indicate either considerable incompetence on the part of the abductees or an alarmingly high degree of environmental awareness on the part of the abductors.
 

Topher

topherlouisiana
Thanks for the Info, if I was being abducted at night I would do averything I possibly could to prove it to MYSELF. As stated in my thread,being able to time stamp the video and corelate that with my own timepiece would seem that catching the little "visitors" in the act would be worth the effort.
 

Topher

topherlouisiana
Hoffmeister, I kinda figured that this is what has been happening. I am by no means tech savvy, but with the obviously intelligent people that are on the Paracast Forum, some body has GOT to have a solution. I saw that show that tries to recreate and debunk paranormal videos and pictures. In one segment a home security with outdoor video cameras captured a couple of what appeared to be EBE's that looked very much like a Gray with what looked like a cape (and maybe a hood). It was walking across the yard and very creepy. The team could not replicate this video, and they could not prove fake or real. I am sorry i cant remember the name of the show. The team consists of a retired F.B.I agent, a photography expert, a scientist, and a special effects expert. If any one recognizes the cast and show content please let the Forum know, it's a really cool show.
 

Kandinsky

Curious Cat
There have been anecdotal reports of abductees setting up cameras but something always seems to go wrong. The timer doesn't go off, the power goes out, VCRs mysteriously have no tapes in them, etc. One report even had the abductee get up out of bed and sleep-walk out of range of the camera before being abducted.

This would tend to indicate either considerable incompetence on the part of the abductees or an alarmingly high degree of environmental awareness on the part of the abductors.
Sounds like 'the dog ate my homework.'

I read/heard about a woman who wrapped herself up in string to thwart the sinister activities of the aliens. They tried to untie her, but lacking opposable thumbs they just couldn't rise to the challenge. Eventually, they decided to leave her alone.

Maybe she should tie one end of the string to a cage suspended from the ceiling? As the evil doctors are tugging at the string like a guy in oven gloves...BAM! Cage comes down and we got ourselves a critter.

Next step would involve a crack team of specialists to back-engineer a retro-virus calibrated to the genetic bio-mass of the EBE. They could soak the keys to the cage in this catastrophic combination of chemistry and leave them just in reach of our critter. Staging a disturbance, the crack team leave the room and our sinister friend grabs the keys with an urgent smirk playing across its cruel features. The genocidal virus is absorbed instantly. As a feral gleam glows brightly in its darkened eyes, it escapes back to the hive.

Our crack team re-enter the room to the sounds of a 60s wah-wah pedal and hi-five in joy that our night-time crawler is taking a Trojan gift back to the nocturnal hordes. Never again will they trespass unknown on the peaceful sleep of honest American citizens.

From that day forth...coughs and sneezes will be their calling-card and the element of surprise will be ours.
 

trainedobserver

Paranormally Disenchanted
Getting the drop on telepaths and recording the comings and goings of inter-dimensional beings does seem a bit problematic on the surface doesn't it?
 

ward

Paranormal Adept
Assuming this phenomenon is something that is real (yes i know its a relative term) well lets just say what i mean its something that actually interacts in our reality for a time and isn't just a sleep related or wishful thinking and it actually reflects light so cameras could pick up something i have a few ideas. I talked about this on Don's show Dark Matters a few times. I think a totally unexpected approach should be used.

A few things i remember about supposed abductions, both Alternating current and gasoline engines seem vulnerable to "their manipulations" if one is to believe the reports. Battery systems opperating with Direct Current and Diesel engines seem less vulnerable. Also low tech approaches might be worth a try.

Say you can find a supposed abductee that has relatively regular visits or is just willing to had their life intruded upon by investigators for some time.

1) they must consent to being recorded without their knowledge and have no idea where any devices are hidden. Activities all through the house including the bathroom should be OK to do.

2) i don't think the investigators should be on location just in case "they" can read a persons mind
( heck who knows) or the person setting up the devices doesn't let the investigator know or use multiple people to set up multiple devices and each works independent for each other.

3) remove pets from the home for the duration of the test

4) use low tech triggers like powder on the floor after the person goes to sleep, pressure plates, even string to trigger a camera.

5) the camera (s) should be different types even pin hole type (passive) camera like i used to make in high school. Digital cameras recording to flash cars even optical media since it would be less sensitive to magnetic interference.

6) power sources for the digital camera could be batteries however how about different power sources, try ac/dc try chemical sources other then standard batteries.

7) how about video recording a physical time keeping piece like a metronome to see if their is any supposed time manipulation occurring or if its just electronic tampering.

8) do odd things like randomly have different odor producing devices triggered when the abductee gets out of bed, maybe that would have an unforeseen effect.
 

blowfish

Whittingham
Good points Ward but I think even today's scientific community technologies will find it hard to get any concrete images until they see establishment come full circle and excepts this as a real human interaction with some higher or lower force! Mind you with some charlatans in the field who use this as a way to seek cash where's some of the experiences rather try and forget! On a humorous note how about back to future head gear:)
 

ward

Paranormal Adept
Good points Ward but I think even today;s scientific community technologies will find it hard to get any concrete images until the establishment come full circle and excepts this as a real human interaction with some higher or lower force! Mind you with charlatans in the field who use this as way seek cash where's some experiences rather try and forget! On a humorous note how about back to future head gear:)
haha that's the spirit Blowfish.

I do think however that if you have people all working independently from each other and the actual subject and researcher are all kept out of the loop you reduce the risk of fraud, assuming the actual people doing the tests are trustworthy and after the honest to goodness truth.

How about powdered soap flakes triggered by a string to drop or just a constant light "snow" like on movies sets that might reveal "invisible" peoples walking into the room.

The lower tech/ stranger/ obvious/ silly approaches might just surprise us.
 

blowfish

Whittingham
Agree there are some excellent independent science researchers who should be give more acclaim where the so called charlatans gain all the glory. Thank goodness we have shows like Don's ,Gene's, Greg's and Paul's mind you he has been quite with the podcast lately hope he is well?.:)

Hey Ward : How about the paper wizard hat and coat hanger wire at each hand:) :)

Peace,
BF
 

Aaron LeClair

Paranormal Maven
I am new to the Paracast and have never participated in any kind of forum or chat for that matter. My question is concerning longterm alien abductions. Has a life long a ducte ever set up a digital survielence camera in the bedroom or other parts of the house and review it every day. If one was to do this I would imagine the recording could have a time stamp on it to see if the machine recording time matched up with the amount of time of sleep. I'm sure this has been done before but I have never heard of such a case.
That is something I've been trying to do for years without success. No abductees near me that I know of. I've been trying with a few people online via webcam, but no takers yet. One of my biggest frustrations is the LACK of interest in doing this sort of thing.

It has been done before though. Camera shuts off, blue screen, or the abductee gets up and turns cam off are some examples of what happens. IIRC Jacobs writes about it in his Secret Life book.

Leir says he has video of a possible grey materializing in a closet. I've never seen the footage.

I should add, Jeff Ritzmann was leaving his webcam on at night for awhile. At least one of the reasons was because there were some mysterious knocking sounds. I came in the chat room and sat around viewing his room and heard the knocks. No grey sightings though.
 

trainedobserver

Paranormally Disenchanted
Do any of the alien abductee's monitoring this thread have any physical evidence that they have been able to acquire? Sound, video, or photographs of hand prints, foot prints, or so forth? While the bodily injuries that get reported are "physical evidence" are there other "physical traces?"


Also, is there anything to the claim that invoking the name of Jesus repels alien abductions? I just finished listening to something called "War of The Worlds, the invisible battle" which was presented by Guy Malone and Joe Jordon of Alien Resistance Ministries and I find the presentation a little baffling. Why would a transliterated name which bears little or no resemblance to the original be meaningful? Does anyone not associated with the ministry observe the same thing and if so what are their conclusions?
 

plumbbob12

Skilled Investigator
. PM
I understand your frustration. As much as I hate to say it, you are probably better off having no takers on this experiment. Those who I know who have legitimate sightings, and photos/videos, are attacked as hoaxers, idiots, misinformed cretins, and just plan flakes. If I ever got a first class ride on a star ship, and allowed to film, take voice recordings, and soil samples of the home planet, I would never share with anyone, as the true believers would require no proof, and the debunkers would not believe any amount of proof. My already somewhat shady reputation would be smeared across every hack blog, or news paper in the country, and like Travis Walton, and his “crew”, life would never be the same. pb
 

ArchieBedford

Partly experienced
Do any of the alien abductee's monitoring this thread have any physical evidence that they have been able to acquire? Sound, video, or photographs of hand prints, foot prints, or so forth? While the bodily injuries that get reported are "physical evidence" are there other "physical traces?"
Yes, TO: one night in February 2009 we had four branches of a tree outside our bedroom window clearly broken from the pressure of something pressing down on them from above, following a night of "activity". They're clever bastards and extremely covert, but occasionally make minor mistakes.

I have three separate scoop-mark scars, one of which is quite large and distinctive and was biopsied/analysed by a dermatology clinic in 2008.


Also, is there anything to the claim that invoking the name of Jesus repels alien abductions? I just finished listening to something called "War of The Worlds, the invisible battle" which was presented by Guy Malone and Joe Jordon of Alien Resistance Ministries and I find the presentation a little baffling. Why would a transliterated name which bears little or no resemblance to the original be meaningful? Does anyone not associated with the ministry observe the same thing and if so what are their conclusions?

This is BS IMO, does not and cannot work. The abductors don't give a shit about our delusional religions.
 

Aaron LeClair

Paranormal Maven
Also, is there anything to the claim that invoking the name of Jesus repels alien abductions?
Other than silliness? No. Nothing comes to mind at least. But there are some heavy christians I'm sure you could find that will disagree. Especially the ones that think greys are demons. BOO! I jokingly suggest, when this issue comes up, that the greys may leave when they see someone start praying, because they think, "What a dumbass. He/She believes some invisible dead man with fictional powers is real and can, or will save them. Lets find a more intelligent and less superstitious specimen".

Introducing religion into the subject of abductions only leads us further away from the truth. Religious people (sometimes even people of the SAME faith) can't even agree on the nature of God (which it supposedly specializes in, some for centuries)...... No, make that, religious people can't agree on just about any issues they touch, or try to touch. So, I think getting to the truth about "aliens" is slim by using a religious mindset. Not that the scientific one is flawless, just better.
 

ArchieBedford

Partly experienced
That is something I've been trying to do for years without success. No abductees near me that I know of. I've been trying with a few people online via webcam, but no takers yet. One of my biggest frustrations is the LACK of interest in doing this sort of thing.

It has been done before though. Camera shuts off, blue screen, or the abductee gets up and turns cam off are some examples of what happens. IIRC Jacobs writes about it in his Secret Life book.

Leir says he has video of a possible grey materializing in a closet. I've never seen the footage.

I should add, Jeff Ritzmann was leaving his webcam on at night for awhile. At least one of the reasons was because there were some mysterious knocking sounds. I came in the chat room and sat around viewing his room and heard the knocks. No grey sightings though.

The cam-idea has been tried many times by many people in many places. One of the problems is battery draining/temporary power failure of electronics in the presence of whatever agency is responsible for this (most people know the reports of car battery/power failure); another, the mental control over abductees to switch them off. More than one film exists of abductees getting up in the middle of the night in a daze and walking to another room, etc. and then appearing suddenly back asleep in bed two hours later. More common is a "sudden, impulsive desire to sleep in another room" one night, or to not turn on the camera.

One day, someone will get footage, but it needs persistence, inventiveness and patience.

Where you based geographically? PM me to discuss, please.
 


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