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A Reasoned Perspective on UFO Research with Jerome Clark


Gene Steinberg

Forum Super Hero
Staff member
As the UFO field remains embroiled in the usual group of feuds and other time-wasting pursuits, we've invited UFO historian Jerome Clark for a reality check.

Jerry is a close friend who has been involved in UFO research since the 1960s. He's written a number of books on UFO and paranormal subjects, and he worked for a number of years as an editor of Fate magazine.

We'll be recording this episode on October 15 from 11 AM until 1 PM Pacific.
 
October 14, 2013

Thank You Gene for taking the time to interview Jerome Clark. Jerry has been conducting research into the UFO phenomenon for even longer then I have which has been since 1973. Jerry's research with CUFOS has been top notch and I want to thank Jerry as well for trying to bring some serious research to the UFO subject and also for bringing some SANITY to a field that really CAN use a great deal of SANE research, IN PLACE OF all the kooks and crackpots and cultist wild nonsense that unfortunately has tainted this subject, so badly.

The UFO community owes researchers like Jerry a great deal of respect and I met Jerry once at the CUFOS headquarters in Chicago and if there is a UFO group that deserves serious support CUFOS is it.

Steve Zalewski,
Syracuse, NY
 
Thanks for the show! I really enjoy nearly every episode!

My question for Mr. Clark refers to ancient or historical UFO reports. Is there a good source for information on that subject for people who want to explore it and do some digging on their own?

Thanks!
Gary
Clarksville, TN
 
October 14, 2013

To Gary,

In case Mr. Clark is not able to reply back to you soon, I will attempt to try to answer your question.

I know of two works that deal with UFO history. I recommend that you read both of these items as they are both scholarly in quality.

1. The UFO Controversy In America by Dr. David Michael Jacobs. This book is a Ph.d thesis in American UFO history from the year 1896 up to 1973. The book was published by Indiana University Press, and it is excellent.

2. UFOs and Government a soft cover book that was released in 2012 this book has several authors and it is available on Ebay or Amazon. Anomalist Press is the publisher and it costs around $30.00 and is about 600 pages in length, and is very detailed without speculation, and you can read about this book by going to the J. Allen Hynek Center For UFO Studies website, cufos.org

Hopefully, Jerry will be able to give you some additional suggestions. Good luck to you in your research.

Steve Zalewski,
Syracuse, NY
 
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Thanks for having Clark on again. His previous appearances on the Paracst are the ones i repeat listen to the most. I appreciate Clark's framework for thinking about these phenomenon as anomalous events and experience anomalies. I cite him as the one interviewee that, for better or worse, has completely reactivated my interest in anomalous phenomenon.

1. You have often said that the idea of a ship from an alien planet crashing on earth is something that you could never hide from history. I take it this means you believe that ET has never ever crashed here. Aside from the infallibility of the phenomenon, what other aspects of the UFO phenomenon do you feel are aspects that could never be hidden from history?

2. What are your personal speculations regarding the intentions of the UFO phenomenon and what do you feel are its significant effects on humanity to date?

3. In your research have you found any anomalous events that have some predictability attached to them in terms of location, frequency, duration or time of their occurrence, or would you describe most anomalous events as rather unpredictable in all ways.
 
These are standard questions I would ask any guest if I thought that it had not been gone over too many times.
  1. What brought you into paranormal research?
  2. What keeps you in paranormal research?
  3. How does your research fit in with the bigger picture of the paranormal?
  4. What question would you like to answer but never are asked?
Thanks to all who make this a great show and site to exchange ideas and information.
 
Sadly, regarding climate change, Jerome Clark is unable to distinguish between Science, and Fraudulent Science.

Fraud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Scientific misconduct - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Spending a few hours of research to answer some basic questions could remedy his failure. Such as:

Why are the computer models secret?

Why did they fake data?

Why are dissenting professors fired?

Does the trillion-dollar carbon trading market reduce carbon output?

Why do corporate foundations like Gates, Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller, et al. spend billions of dollars funding climate fear porn "non-profit" media projects?

Why do giant transnationals inject climate fear constantly into popular television and movies? Do you suppose it's because corporations have historically had the people's best interests at heart, because they are just so fond of us?
 
Sadly, regarding climate change, Jerome Clark is unable to distinguish between Science, and Fraudulent Science.
duce carbon output?
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Why do corporate foundations like Gates, Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller, et al. spend billions of dollars funding climate fear porn "non-profit" media projects?

Why do giant transnationals inject climate fear constantly into popular television and movies? Do you suppose it's because corporations have historically had the people's best interests at heart, because they are just so fond of us?

Compared to most other UFO/paranormal researchers Clark always comes off as the most scholarly of the bunch, hence 'the reasoned perspective' title. When he takes a stance on a position he doesn't do it lightly - even when he's deciding to defend Bud Hopkins, but then that is a debate about loyalties more than anything else.

As far as environmental fear porn I think that's the only pornography people should spend a lot of time watching: fear of the bees, birds and fish dying, extreme weather and forest & ocean environments defaulting. All these things should be legitimately making us feel very uncomfortable.

The transnational fear that you are talking about is very different. That's a fear of terrorists, of your guns being taken away from you, of the redistribution of wealth, of health care, of being ugly, of not smelling or looking right, of the outsider, of being poor, of the other. Those fears are instilled by the corporate gods to promote consumption.

Environmental fears are about conservation. Those are two entirely different voices with two different agendas. The corporate god wants you to see renovated tar sands that magically become wilderness preserves after they recondition the land following its butchery. That is in fact a pornographic myth, like all women want to be beaten and tied up. These things are not real but the spin says it's so. That's what needs criticism, as it always has. These days the kings brainwash the serfs and teach them to love their misery and promote death with a smile.
 
These days the kings brainwash the serfs and teach them to love their misery and promote death with a smile.

I agree. What I don't understand is why people are so easily brainwashed into believing nonsense like the Climate Fraud, especially someone with decades of experience researching UFOlogy, an area rife with profit-seeking charlatans, pseudo-science, and government deception.

Clark spent most of the interview speaking about exactly that. Yet, when it comes to the climate grift which employs the exact same tactics, he falls for it like a naive child.
 
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