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It's OK Angel. I understand and a few more folks will chime in soon to either call me a religious retard (which won't bother you either) or a simplisitic uninformed anti science imbecile. I assure you I'm neither. But, hold on to the old worldview. I'm sure you and Richard D. are right.

I simply put some of my thoughts out there in general about a world view and why I find it an imcomplete view. It's funny, that I can tell ya what I find wrong with religion and there's no problem. But, mention your own worldview and it goes to Def Con 1 Right away. :p

Doesn't have anything at all to do with what I said. I simply told you what I think. I made no accusation that atheist couldn't be good folks. I think you are good folks. But, it doesn't change what I wrote and what I feel is true. You have a remarkable habit or talent for picking out a word or...

Finally, if I were an athiest I would be a satanist. I promise you I'm not. ;) I say that because a satanist does not believe in satan or god or anything else. But, they don't pretend a morality and they are honest with themselves. They take what they want and when they want as long as they can...

There are times when what you say on a message board gets lost in the translation. For instance I have a very literal mind. Always have had. It's one reason I had to leave the "church" as far as theology and dogma goes. I could never understand how you could tell somebody they were going to hell...

No Angel, I have no doubt of your love for your wife and daughter. Sorry, if it came across that way.

Sigh! :rolleyes: I'm sure you are right Angel. You are nothing more than a meatbot on a cold barren mistake of a world. You and all that you love are simply the after affects (afterbirth?) of a glorious march to oblivion by souless consciousless processes. A noise or a play written by nothing...

Actually, Angel I have no problem at all with Darwin. Although, if you read the history of the physical sciences Darwin didn't actually "discover" he published first. But, I digress. What some of us reasonable people do question is the extrapolation (read philosophy) that Mr. Dawkins "directs"...

WELL SHOVE IT UP YOU.....:p Just kiddin! I kid the atheist and the deist and whoever else. :p ROFLMAO! I kill me! :D That means I think I'm funny. Not that I actually errr kill....:p

Interesting conversation especially as T.O. and Mike engage in it. I can see one post and think Wow, Trained nailed what I was thinking. Then Mike comes back and I think "Wow, I can relate to that. The thing is I honestly don't know what "we" are. I think that Consciousness makes use of matter...

I don't believe in bigfoot at all. But, if there is one then it most likely is a uncataloged primate of some sort. Nuts and bolts ufo's? Well, it's a big ole universe so I can't say they don't exist. I've never been convinced of it but it's certainly possible. I will also have to say that if...

Great article. Enjoyed it.

Awww, give her the grape. :)

Wow, thanks. I don't know the lady but if that was on the level it was really something. I can see skeptics rushing to find something now to "debunk" her. :p

On the other hand these guys agree with me. They are certainly not religious or deist. They do make some good points. Such as: Sadly, a lot of the underpinnings of transhumanism are based on a sort of blind-men-at-the-elephant thinking -- people assuming that because it can be imagined, it must...

Mice That Eat Yogurt Have Larger Testicles: Scientific American

:p Ahhh, yes, utopia. I gotta tell you this will go the way of suspended animation and the Edsel.

I wish some other people could learn from you guys. You never will agree on this. But, there is no cursing and personal attacks (well, not bad ones. :p) and at the end of the day both of you turn away secure in the knowledge that you have proven your point to anybody with an open mind.

You are right about the last point my friend. ;) I honestly try to be civil with people. I can't say I never slip because I do. But, when it comes to cursing people and cutting and pasting crap just to get at somebody, I hope I don't do that. It's funny because some of the same folks who give...

Although we have different views of consciousness that was well said T.O. ;) Angel, ya know Kim does have a point. I remember you saying waaay back that people shouldn't disrespect Muslims or try to sterotype Islam. Yet, the you have not publically had a problem with Mike cursing people (even a...