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Can You Believe a UFO Witness — Or Any Witness?
By Gene Steinberg

When all you have is eyewitness testimony about an unusual event, be it a UFO or some sort of spiritual apparition, the larger question is whether you can believe those accounts. Were they simply mistaken, were they just seeing things that weren’t there for some reason, or is the paranormal event pretty much as described?

Certainly seeing something weird or frightening that’s totally unexpected can cause all sorts of complications. There is that legendary test in law school where students see a staged crime, and are asked to describe the details of what they saw. It’s not surprising that the accounts are all over the place.

A very contemporary example is the tragic shooting death of a black youth, Michael Brown, by officer Darren Wilson in Ferguson, Missouri. Certainly accounts of this episode are not consistent. Some talk of Brown grappling with the officer before the shooting occurred. Other reports suggest he was running away, or had turned back to raise his arms to surrender. Others accounts combine these details in different ways.

Regardless, it’s clear that getting a consistent account about such an emotionally charged event is extremely difficult. Still, you have to wonder why the reports vary, and whether personal prejudices or agendas have something to do with it. Or perhaps it’s just that eyewitness testimony under extreme conditions of something unexpected is always going to be unreliable.

In a UFO sighting, scientific investigators will prefer to consider cases where there are multiple witnesses, to allow them to seek out the consistencies and inconsistencies and produce a reliable account of what happened.

But even interpreting what you heard — or think you heard — might yield uncertain results. Years ago, the late actor/comedian/musician Steve Allen used to play a little game with members of the audience during his late night shows.

So he’d have ten people come on stage. He’d have someone — perhaps himself — whisper a joke to the first person, asking that person to, in turn, whisper the joke to the next person. This transfer of information would continue until the last person was asked to recite the joke.

Not surprisingly, the end result of ten generations of verbal information transfer would yield funny results. But it’s not because the joke was funny. It’s the fact that the final version generally bore scant resemblance to the original story. This little test has been repeated over and over again in various forms, but the results are the same. If interpreting what you see is hard, interpreting what you hear is no easier.

Yet there is still an oral tradition in some societies, with stories and myths transferred verbally from father to son, mother to daughter, friend to friend, repeated over the years and the centuries. How is it that the tale you hear or read now bears even the slightest resemblance to the original? Is such accuracy even possible? If there is a way to train people to accurately report what they hear, it would be great to have this technique taught in our schools.

Still, those who rely on such oral traditions will affirm that one can learn to do it accurately, and I’m not about to dispute such claims.

But I still remain on the fence about the accuracy of reports about what one sees or hears. When I was on the beat as a broadcast news reporter, I would write up a story and later read accounts in the local newspapers. While the main points were essentially the same — after all we were all professional reporters — there were still unaccountable differences in the fine details. Even with the best of intentions, reports will differ and thus it’s best to read or watch several versions to get a roughly accurate picture of what’s going on.

Certainly, I see this phenomenon repeated over and over again on The Paracast. While some of our listeners are quite deliberate in quoting segments of the show. I’ve seen posts in The Paracast forums where someone lists the timestamp of when a comment was made, followed by the actual quote. I assume they are taking the time to go over the segment a few times to make sure the quotes are accurate. Yet some of the people who write us clearly misinterpret what they claim to have heard.

As you might expect, the unreliability of human testimony serves the ends of the skeptics. If someone reports seeing something strange flying around, making weird, pinpoint maneuvers that appear to be way beyond what Earth technology can do, they have to be wrong. Maybe the witness misinterpreted a conventional aircraft or some other phenomenon. This may be especially true with distant lights in the sky.

It’s certainly true that over 90% of the UFOs reported to the major organizations tend to have mundane explanations. The mystery lies in the unknowns, but is it fair to dismiss them all because people tend to get things wrong? When there are multiple witnesses, and they are carefully questioned without leading them on, there’s apt to be a more consistent account of what happened.

However, the skeptics may come up with yet another excuse, that some witnesses are liars. Maybe not conscious liars, but perhaps the will to believe is playing a part in their interpretation of what they saw. They read all about UFOs, are steeped in stories, movies and TV shows about classic events in the field, such as the Roswell crash, and thus their impressions of what they saw are highly colored.

That’s one of the explanations for the controversial descriptions of what happened in Roswell, NM in 1947. After the initial story about a crashed flying disk went out over the wires, a “correction” claimed it was just a balloon.

So for most people, the Roswell case was buried for some 30 years until such investigators as William Moore and Stanton Friedman looked into the case. After interviewing most of the surviving witnesses that they could locate, they concluded that a flying saucer, an alien spacecraft, crashed at Roswell, and that it’s very possible the bodies of the pilots were recovered.

Again, skeptics continue to claim it was a Mogul balloon all along, and that the alleged witnesses are only remembering what happened decades later, with the actual events colored by their influences, cultural and otherwise. It’s true that accounts may change over time, but when widely disparate people tell similar stories, you have to wonder what is really going on.

Then again, people are sometimes convicted of serious crimes very much as the result of eyewitness testimony from human beings. Sure, forensic evidence may be the key to understanding what really happened. But when people identify a potential suspect without a valid alibi, it may be enough to convince a jury that they got the right person, particularly if the scientific evidence is lacking or inconsistent.

But if nobody really knows what they are seeing or hearing, which appears to be what the skeptics want you to believe, why rely on anyone’s word for anything? Why, in fact, should we rely on what the skeptics tell us?

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I am certainly not going to rely on debunkers (they're not real skeptics because they're wedded to their belief systems) to tell me anything of value, that's for sure. When people have made up their minds without even looking at the facts and even refusing to look at the facts, they're just spewing their prejudices and I am not interested in getting spewed on.
 
I am certainly not going to rely on debunkers (they're not real skeptics because they're wedded to their belief systems) to tell me anything of value, that's for sure. When people have made up their minds without even looking at the facts and even refusing to look at the facts, they're just spewing their prejudices and I am not interested in getting spewed on.

perhaps because it's not in their interests to do so. I suppose if one has looked into hundreds of cases and came up short on every one that would be a good reason to get all jaded and take up the debunker banner even across across multiple disciplines as it appears Mr. Shaffer has.

It will be interesting to hear how he handles multiple witness cases especially as i got the impression that he's not even inclined to consider exotic military technology given Micah ' s account in the previous show...if I understood the account correctly.

I'll say this though if I hear him even once toss out that old "burden of proof " fallback on any case that he can't honestly quantify don't be surprised if you hear a scream emanating from the west coast.
 
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I would be surprised if he has investigated anything in any kind of detail. If one doesn't want one's worldview to be shaken, one will do everything they can to throw monkey wrenches into any process that would shake that world view.

Regarding multiple witness cases, he will either say there are none, or the witnesses have colluded or the witnesses were drinking or the witnesses saw the planet Venus or something of this nature (I hope I hear something new).

Yes, they basically throw up their hands and say "the burden of proof" is on the person making the claim, but when you present them the proof, they usually weren't even aware of it and don't want to look at it seriously.

They also set artificially high standards and use the all or nothing approach: unless you give me an alien body, the phenomenon doesn't exist. If it can't be replicated, it doesn't exist. If someone saw something, that has no value as evidence, no matter how credible the observer. If there is evidence, but it's not proof, then there is no evidence.
 
If there is evidence, but it's not proof, then there is no evidence.

I think that what you're trying to say there is that when it comes to some skeptics, unless the evidence presented is verifiable scientifically valid material evidence, then it doesn't count as evidence in their eyes. I've experienced that attitude often over on the JREF forum. It's not a defensible position to take and we've discussed it at some length here on the Paracast. Proof is another matter. Proof is subjective term that indicates that the amount of evidence presented is sufficient to justify your individual belief in a claim. Some people require more or different kinds of evidence for them to consider a claim as proven.
 
While cumulative error cannot be ignored as a factor in cases like the Roswell Incident, let's have a closer look at the issue. First let's try the same game with a hardcopy report. How many times does that report have to change hands before the content becomes muddied like it does in Chinese Whispers? The answer of course is that barring physical damage to the document, it can change hands indefinitely without it changing at all, and coming from a firsthand witness, it's not technically hearsay. So we can set aside cumulative error when it comes to the overall issue of UFOs.

Secondly lets try the same game but with a simple message like, "A flying saucer crashed near Roswell New Mexico." The cumulative error in that message isn't likely to be consequential to its meaning. So combine that with the press release by the RAAF, and the essential message seems to have weathered rather well. Add to that all the other ufolore, and it's reasonable to believe that whatever crashed was of an unusual nature, and that some sort of cover-up was put into play. We still can't be sure it was alien. But given the rest of the ufolore around the incident, and that we have insufficient evidence to either prove or disprove the claim that what crashed was something alien, I don't think it's reasonable to rule out the possibility.
 
The problem in this field is that it's not just the actual reported event that needs to be properly documented and analyzed, but also the entire framework of the event must be scrutinized. and that's when many times things start to fall apart, badly. Then people start saying things like "it fits... if you add quantum warping, time travel and light-bending materials!" and at that point it becomes an episode of Ancient Aliens.
 
The problem in this field is that it's not just the actual reported event that needs to be properly documented and analyzed, but also the entire framework of the event must be scrutinized. and that's when many times things start to fall apart, badly. Then people start saying things like "it fits... if you add quantum warping, time travel and light-bending materials!" and at that point it becomes an episode of Ancient Aliens.
I think you've correctly identified the point where some facets of ufology "jump the shark". What's important to remember is that those instances don't represent the entire field. As I recently pointed out in another thread, ufology is about taking all information related to UFOs and objectively cataloguing it by context. All too often the skeptics will take some ludicrous example and extrapolate it out so as to paint the entire field with the same brush. It's not an honest way of portraying ufology.
 
Well if you get down to the deep thoughts the circumvent our society
In a weird way Jesus was either an alien or a human god with either superpowers or awesome science knowledge. Case in point he was killed hypothetically, and them he was resurrected and was brought back to life. Then he left on a pillar of clouds that I think he did a beam me up scottie, then he returned back to earth with holes in his hands and feet. But he was only visible to his disciples, strange, then was beamed back up to the sky. Now if he was a human being with God's knowledge and just a human being how did he do this? The bible even states that two beings talked with Mary and Joseph and told them that Mary was having a child when she was a virgin, supposedly, the became pregnant with out human interaction. I think she was inseminated with some intergalactic sperm, then Jesus was born with hybrid genes. Questions?
 
Well if you get down to the deep thoughts the circumvent our society
In a weird way Jesus was either an alien or a human god with either superpowers or awesome science knowledge. Case in point he was killed hypothetically, and them he was resurrected and was brought back to life. Then he left on a pillar of clouds that I think he did a beam me up scottie, then he returned back to earth with holes in his hands and feet. But he was only visible to his disciples, strange, then was beamed back up to the sky. Now if he was a human being with God's knowledge and just a human being how did he do this? The bible even states that two beings talked with Mary and Joseph and told them that Mary was having a child when she was a virgin, supposedly, the became pregnant with out human interaction. I think she was inseminated with some intergalactic sperm, then Jesus was born with hybrid genes. Questions?

Very true. A lot of religious mythology can be interpreted as alien intervention. The religious people don't like that much though. I've heard it said that those who suggest such things suffer from a peculiar malady called "von Dänikenitis". Personally I think that the Jesus myth is exactly that, a myth. I also think that the theory of how that myth actually came into being makes the story even more interesting.
 
I think you've correctly identified the point where some facets of ufology "jump the shark". What's important to remember is that those instances don't represent the entire field. As I recently pointed out in another thread, ufology is about taking all information related to UFOs and objectively cataloguing it by context. All too often the skeptics will take some ludicrous example and extrapolate it out so as to paint the entire field with the same brush. It's not an honest way of portraying ufology.

You're right, of course. I didn't mean to imply that it's the same in every case, but more often than not when you go into the facts surrounding the case, I'd imagine. Yet it's rarely addressed by the ufology crowd at all.
 
You're right, of course. I didn't mean to imply that it's the same in every case, but more often than not when you go into the facts surrounding the case, I'd imagine. Yet it's rarely addressed by the ufology crowd at all.

Are you talking about the ufology crowd you see on pop-culture TV shows, or who exactly. Any examples of specific ufologists who fail to take into consideration the "framework" you mention? Can you elaborate a bit more on what you mean by the "framework of the event"?
 
Well if you get down to the deep thoughts the circumvent our society
In a weird way Jesus was either an alien or a human god with either superpowers or awesome science knowledge. Case in point he was killed hypothetically, and them he was resurrected and was brought back to life. Then he left on a pillar of clouds that I think he did a beam me up scottie, then he returned back to earth with holes in his hands and feet. But he was only visible to his disciples, strange, then was beamed back up to the sky. Now if he was a human being with God's knowledge and just a human being how did he do this? The bible even states that two beings talked with Mary and Joseph and told them that Mary was having a child when she was a virgin, supposedly, the became pregnant with out human interaction. I think she was inseminated with some intergalactic sperm, then Jesus was born with hybrid genes. Questions?

You missed the obvious answer

A close examination of the evidence shows that the best explanation for the story of "Jesus Christ" is what we call "mythology". The case that I will be outlining here is that there never was any "Jesus Christ" nor any meaningful real life basis for the story of "Jesus Christ". Like many other religious figures, "Jesus Christ" began as a theological concept, was later used as a character in allegorical stories, and was then historicized as someone whom people believed really existed. The belief in a literal "human" Jesus most likely emerged as eucharist rituals and theology developed around the concept of the "flesh" and "blood" of Christ and these concepts merged with allegorical narratives about the figure.
What is the basis for the claim that "Jesus never existed"?
Actually, there are many important facts that support this conclusion. First let's look at an outline of some of the major points in this case

Jesus Myth - The Case Against Historical Christ

Truth Be Known | Acharya S | D.M. Murdock

Debunking the Christ Myth?

The romans were meticulous record keepers, they dont record this "character" or any of the notable events that were supposed to have occured in relation to this character.

And my favourite

How-the-fuck-did-Jesus-find.....jpg



The simple and best answer that doesnt require a magic sky man or aliens is that Jesus didnt exist, hes a character in a story based on earlier myths. All fiction.
 
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Are you talking about the ufology crowd you see on pop-culture TV shows, or who exactly. Any examples of specific ufologists who fail to take into consideration the "framework" you mention? Can you elaborate a bit more on what you mean by the "framework of the event"?

It's just the feel I get when listening to the Paracast or DMR. I don't pay nearly enough attention to details to remember specific names or cases and it's entirely possible that the impression is erroneous. By the framework I mean things like who else lives in the direction the object came from and went to, and what did they see, weather conditions not just at the moment of the event, but prior to it, what else is in the area, personal realtionships between various witnesses etc. These things often get glossed over and, again, I'm not saying everyone does this, but I see it quite a bit.

Mind you, It's not a criticism of the people looking into this stuff, just an observation.
 
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Mike, let's not forget that the Bible is a collection of verbal traditions paased down for 2 CENTURIES before it was written down, edited, translated, edited, translated a few times and *reweritten* by an English King.

To base anything on the final product is lunacy.
 
It's just the feel I get when listening to the Paracast or DMR. I don't pay nearly enough attention to details to remember specific names or cases and it's entirely possible that the impression is erroneous. By the framework I mean things like who else lives in the direction the object came from and went to, and what did they see, weather conditions not just at the moment of the event, but prior to it, what else is in the area, personal realtionships between various witnesses etc. These things often get glossed over and, again, I'm not saying everyone does this, but I see it quite a bit.
Mind you, It's not a criticism of the people looking into this stuff, just an observation.

I'd agree that your "feel" is probably right with respect to the aggregate. Cases from the Early Modern Era tended to be better investigated, but even then a lot of reports were labeled "Insufficient Information". With respect to the issue itself, how would knowing those details help reveal exactly where the aliens and/or their craft are from and what their purpose for being here is? More simply, beyond establishing the legitimacy of a report, what else of importance might we learn from such details?
 
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