Watch this video over and over and find where there was an "Alien Abduction" in any of it. The sad part is this is exactly the kind of attention people who have actually experienced the phenomena do not need. How on earth can real investigatory work be done on this subject when crap like this is thrown out there:
That was a silly video. You can find plenty of videos like that for any topic. The abduction phenomenon is real - the problem is that it's not actually people being abducted.
Yeah, it's so sad to see that all of this seems no more than attention seekers doing anything they can to get noticed. I had this show up on the Yahoo front door to their daily page and I sat there and looked at it for a moment and wondered. Here is he orginial: RAMSTEIN ALIEN ABDUCTION CAUGHT ON CAMERA - 6 hours ago I thought, WOW! They finally had something to show! So like a dupe I went to the site, took the time out to watch the video....and then watched it again.....the word "DUPE" getting larger and larger.... Man.
Insisting what "it isnt" is no differemt than insisting "what it is". There is no proof its happening, and no proof its not
That's the problem though Mike. Those that are proponents of it insist that people are being abducted by aliens when more prosaic explanations are available.
I have sensed that a lot of UFOlogists and enthusiasts have tried to sort of separate themselves from the abduction phenomenon in the last few years, or at least some will qualify that abductions should be completely separated from the observation of aerial phenomena. It's not hard to understand why (at least for me). Do you all think that this is true? Just wondering.
You couldn't be more on in your point RJHark00. The main reason why I posted this in the first place was to show the utter disrespect people seem to have for this phenomenon. I don't propose to believe that it is "E.T." which is abducting people out of their beds, but I do believe that something is happening to them, and it should be handled with a great deal more respect, than what seems to pass for a terrible misuse of the news! As I stated before, my initial response was to take the Yahoo post seriously. I clicked it on fully believing that what I was about to view would be actual video tape of an "Alien Abduction".....note that I stated it as, "Alien" which is much different than the title, "Extraterrestrial." I choose to call it thus because I stand by my opinion that E.T. isn't interested in us even if he exists at all. To state that this is similar to other misuses of a news title is doing those who suffered from the aftershock of abduction a serious mis-justice, that even I in my usual skepticism wouldn't espouse to do.
Im not sure a prosaic explanation fits all examples though . http://www.theozfiles.com/kelly_cahill.html The data in this case is compelling, the second set of witness's did not know the first, they were tracked down by those researching the data, and we have physical trace evidence, including ground traces and magnetic anomaly. http://ufos.about.com/od/aliensalienabduction/p/cahill1993.htm ---------- Post added at 04:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:20 PM ---------- Nor does there seemk to be a prosiac answer to the DNA results of this case http://aliendnaparadigm.blogspot.com/2010/01/alien-dna-paradigm-introduction.html#comments Peter has passed a lie detector test in regards to the events he describes, given by an ex member of the australian federal police
Even if alien abductions were real how would one go about proving it? Nothing really makes sense that wouldn't raise ethical issues. The encounter narratives seem to have all possible avenues for practical research blocked from the start: the witnesses claim the ships and even the beings themselves can be invisible or pass through solid material, that they can read and control thoughts, that the abductees are monitored, sometimes even that the entities can manipulate time, etc. Assuming those things were true, a pretty giant assumption, how does a scientist go about proving that something like that is factual, especially if it's intelligent and has an interest in not being proven? Not saying this stuff is true, just that if it was what could science do anyway? Probably little so why waste their time on something that probably isn't real in the first place and even if it were is so far outside the boundaries of what science can deal with it would be a waste of effort? At the least 99% of this stuff has got to be nonsense: crazy people, hoaxers, flakes, mistaken sleep paralysis, the me-too crowd, and likely the biggest culprit: fictional memories made to feel real by hypnosis. Even Sammy Hagar thinks he's an abductee because of a dream he had. A dream?! That's all it takes to adopt such a dramatic belief? There's a few cases that seem a bit more mysterious than usual, like Kelly Cahill (Mentioned above by someone else), Betty and Barney Hill, and the Allagash case. But those are rare, just a ripple in an ocean of nonsense reports. Even those few fall far short of what the scientific method demands. Given all that it seems silly to me to expect scientists to get in bed with this issue. First of all, there's barely anything worthwhile to investigate. Secondly, despite a few interesting cases the so-called phenomenon probably isn't real, and third, even if it is real what could scientists possibly do about it? They wouldn't get any further along with it than anyone else has and that time could be better spent doing something where success is a possibility.
There is no doubt that there is a lot of noise in the field, but as these cases above demonstrate, there is some potential signal. And that alone is worth researching. The rationale that because we cant understand something like invisability etc therefore its not real is silly. Last century mankind went from vehicles powered by animals, to Nuclear powered submarines that can circumnavigate the planet without surfacing. From the horse and carriage, to Gagarins circumnavigation in 108 minutes Today we are playing with metamaterials Including nanotech and superconductors, and advanced genetics, indeed the Khoury case is a good example of DNA technology thats being reflected in both the abduction scenario and our own biomed research. Not understanding aspects of the phenomena is imo poor grounds for dismissing it. Manipulating time is no big deal, it happens in nature http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/24/3020863.htm?section=justin Time is a variable value, not a constant steady rate. We tend to see time as a constant because we are all in the same gravity well, but thats an illusion. There is a lot more to understand about the nature of our universe, , and if there are more advanced species visiting us, studying them and their technology could save us having to reinvent the wheel so to speak. Yes its elusive , but then so is the stuff being discovered in the LHC. The LHC is a massive project and piece of equipment, which in of itself tells us nothing, but the tiny particles it creates, could change the way we see the physical universe or this stuff http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/37482/page2/
Interesting you should bring her up again. Here is a quote from one of her interviews: [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Anyway, I started screaming and going on about demons trying to steal people's souls. . . . I like not to admit that it came from my mouth, but it did. . . . But I'm going to tell it the way it is.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Next thing I hear him saying, "Would somebody do something about .her?" And I felt a hand . . . touch my shoulder. It wasn't hard. It was quite gentle.That's when I absolutely cracked! I'm still sitting on the ground, and I couldn't see a thing, but I made sure that my eyes were just fierce. . . . Something snapped in me. Before that I was crying. All of a sudden something snapped in me, and I got so angry . Then I started screaming out, "How dare you do this to these innocent people?" Like it was my fault. Because I was on a big spiritual search, and I really got the impression that it was my fault. And I thought, why involve other people?. . . I felt like, almost like there was a fight for me. Like it was something I had to do. . . [/FONT] "
Is it just me or does a certain type of person tend to report abduction encounters? Y'know, mostly caucasian, middle-class suburbanites. Where are the reports from street gangs, guys in prison, prostitutes? At this point I would be more impressed by a report from an illiterate street walker who is a member of the Crips. At least that would be something different. Perhaps I'm growing cynical or even impatient but it seems to me that the reports of alien abduction have been following a bit of a pattern, educated people with a lot of time on their hands, a lot of time to exercise their imaginations and get worked up over silly things.
There is nothing unusual about Ms Cahill seeing thru the filter of her religious perceptions, but that doesnt mean she drew correct conclusions
You know Wickerman1972, over the many years I had read about and investigated some of these reports personally, I couldn't help but also arrive at the same conclusion. It seems that almost every "abduction" happens to white, suburban, middle to upper class people. Also, due to the sheer lack of physically backed evidential proof and the significant psychological similarities between the many cases, most in the field have also begun to arrive at the conclusion that the entire phenomenon, for the most part, is occurring within the minds of the victims and not by any outside influences whatsoever. I am not at that conclusive bend in the road as of yet, but many of the cases I have taken part in, NEVER divulged any physical proof, and usually were found to be psychosomatic in the overall setting. Again though, there have been supposed "eyewitness" reporting of lights, dark figures, "E.T." looking creatures, night hags forcing the victim to be frozen in place, etc. etc. We cannot easily rule out these people's reporting solely as unreliable, but once again as mentioned here, without the "measuring tools" necessary to analyze this as a subject falling within the parameters of our known science, who really can say what's happening to them for sure.
From what I understand the experincer’s conscious has been immersed in some type of field, and tampered with. Perhaps the experincer’s conscious has a heightened ability, and is able to interact with the phenomenon. I don’t recall ever hearing of a blind, or deaf person interacting with the abductee phenomenon. On another note, I would not doubt an experincer passing a lie detector test, because in their mind they were actually abducted.
Often the data (in any research) reflects the biases of those assembling the protocols to collect the data. It's easy to look at the data for abduction and draw what seems to be a commonsensical conclusion that abductees tend to be white folk whom fall in the middle to high SES range. However, this data point may be simply be a reflection of a litany of assumptions that were introduced in the original research and perpetuated by those whom followed -(um, yep, middle and upper class white folk) and unfortunately this pattern is being perpetuated ad infinitum due to lack of vision and interest in and from less figural areas of society and culture (those from multicultural and low SES backgrounds). And speaking as a mental health professional, I would argue that these narratives are heard and rather regularly from the Hoi Polloi so to speak, but it is ignored. It's where you look and who's doing the looking. I'd guess there's a lot of stereotypes built into that assumption in the first place.
Or the Phenomenon seems to be happening to a segment of the population which over the years, have been more susceptible to the ever increasing amount of B.S. on the very circumstances by which the influence seems to promote the symptom. I too have a back ground in the mental health field, albeit one which I never pursued further than the minimum requirements of a minor degree. Even so, over the years of investigation into these abduction cases, the obvious cannot be ignored. In the many I have either heard of or been a part in during an investigatory role, not one could I classify as "minority" driven or non Caucasian by example (One was Native American but Western Latin influenced in that the spouse was Italian). No, I think it is more due to the sociological aspect of media investment, religious influence, and other influences akin to an atmosphere of likened circumstances which promote what many in the field believe to be a form of self induced sordid hallucination. Again, before I am ritualistically sacrificed for writing down this opinion, note that I don't necessarily agree with its findings. I have not been completely persuaded that something physical isn't influencing these poor victims, perhaps demonically driven, but once again, the lack of evidential variance in any scientific evaluation, and this from the thousands of cases on file, weighs heavily against my defense. I have seen the metal taken out of the victim's bodies. I have watched some of the fascinating video which purported to show actual Aliens abducting these poor people. I have been in on test subject cases where the individual was watched 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for months at a time, and even in all these cases, not once could I point any of the findings as conclusive proof of abduction. The videos were usually shown to be faked, the metal taken out would normally be of a type found terrestrially, the months of observances within some of the test subjects would prove useless, as they would experience none of the background information on abduction they promised they experienced. Without soluble evidence more than substantially presented to the scientific or even laymen community, the phenomenon continues to stay on the list of the "para"-normally unknown.
On a light note... The following is from a predominantly black female website, and the topic is "Why don't aliens abduct black people?" This was written by a black woman: "we just too damn difficult to deal with, if i was an ALIEN the last muthaphuka i would try to abduct would be a black person...especially a "sista" could u imagine a spaceship trying to land on a black woman's property......... "now who da hell shining dat big ass light on my front lawn"- black woman "it is I ...valcon from the planet vultron!!"-alien "val who???" ..."man u betta turn off that damn light my daughter trying to sleep and shyt"- "ahh fukk it"- alien alien high tails it out of the Mlk blvd. area...and vows to never return to anyplace within distance of a check cashing venue or chinese restaurant" Seriously, though, I can't find any peer-reviewed scientific papers regarding age, sex, race, or class of abductees/contactees. I will keep looking.
