The Myth Of The Myth Of Flying Saucers.

As I was watching the program about the making of Steven Spielberg's Taken I found myself getting angrier and angrier as every other sentence seemed to be about

The Myth Of Flying Saucers.

What myth?Taken all right it's more like we been took.Wasn't there any research done on this twenty hour piece of boredom?I am so tired of Non Experiencers being the only voice for those that are the True Experiencers.This program was full of garbage that had nothing to do with the real Encounter's experience but I am sure the "Want To Be Abductees" will be swearing they experienced and once again muddling up the true facts of this already perplexing phenomena.Wouldn't it have been better to base this program on the accounts ofreal Experiencers?Why not use the real design of craft that were seen.Why not use the real descriptions of the many kinds of beings that have been seen during these events.Why not highlight the high strangeness that comes along with these encounters instead of making another blond haired blue eyed Messiah.The twisting of time, the poltergeist activity, and all around the paranormality that accompanies this phenomena.Why not sacrifice trying to be so damned entertaining, for being more educational?Why not show how hard it is to try to continue to be"normal" in the midst of paranormality that follows these events.Why not show how alien your human friends and family become towards youafter you try to tell them what happened to you?Why not talk about the isolation, the divorces, theinstitutionalization, and the suicides, caused not by the alienabduction, but the human reaction and rejection caused because our government chose to in act a debunking policy, rather than honestly telling the public the truth?Oh yes one day in the future the truth will be known and we Experiencers will be validated, big deal!That doesn't mean "Dodolelysquat" now for those of us that are trying to bring that knowledge to the world sooner than later.That's like giving medals to the now aged and or dead veterans of the first and second World Wars, or those damned Life Time Achievement Awards.They always come many years after the events that they were deserved, and years after they could have done their receivers some good..What good does that do for the receiver?None at all.These awards are to save face of the people and or institutions that for reasons of jealousy or racial prejudice denied these people their just rewards.Its all P R and B S.Look at the excellent work Steven Spielberg did all those years before he finally received his much deserved recognition from his peers.It's great that he and others had the stamina to continue but what of those that did not survive the neglect, or suffered from the lack of the prosperity and funding that would have come with that recognition.Oh yes the polite and the politically correct will humbly accept these awards and go quietly on there way and say nothing about how it felt to have the foot of their peers on their neck for years.But then there are those like Mr. Mickey Rooney who after receiving one of these awards let his peers and the public know just how too little and too late these awards were.He was labeled as bitter by the press and others, how odd when you tell the truth you are considered bitter, and not truthful.I rather not wake for the world to wake up but to wake the world up!Maybe that is why "They" are waiting and taking so long, rather than confronting us with a truth that our government has long blinded us with.The punch line of "The Little Green Men From Mars" is still used to make a joke of these real events.Even though as long as I can remember no one has said they encountered little green men or that these beings claimed to be from Mars.They site the panic caused by the Orson Wells radio broadcast of War Of The Worlds as a reason to keep this lie going.What if that broadcast had been about aliens more like ET that had been broadcasted that night?Would there have been such a panic?Would there have been a need now to protect the public from the truth?Had we known the truth back in 1947 how different would it be now?Would we now be out among the stars as part of a intergalactic group?Would we be as terrified of the thought of these beings walking among us as we are today?Look at what wonderful technologies we have stolen so far from their recovered craft.What would they have shared with us if we had been more open with them and our own society.Even had not they wished to openly share with us our world would have united against a perceived threat from outside our world.That alone to me would have been worth it.We suppose because of their advanced technologies that they are older than us.Suppose that we never had the racial hatred or wars that plagued and hindered our development on Earth?Saying that we did not get these advancement from crashed alien craft, look how far we have come technically since the last world war.Where could we be in another fifty years? A hundred? A thousand?Now imagine if we never had a war or racial hatred from our beginning, where would we be at now?What if all that manpower, and man hours, had not been used to kill each other, or to hold one group or the other back or down, where could we be?We could have met "Them" face to face in the dark of space instead of in the darkness of our bed rooms.But noooo, here we are, still struggling with the myth of a myth, trapped on this tiny sphere out in a far arm of the Milky wayinstead of taking our rightful place as cosmic citizens, and explorers of the universe.

"Know thy self, and you'll know thine enemy." Posey Gilbert

Posey, Taken is a science fiction mini-series, it was made for entertainment. It is not real.

BTW- who says "thy" and "thine" these days?

There is the converse line of thought that wars and conflict have been the catalyst for technological progress too.

The saturn V was really the big brother of the V2 that was used to bomb london for example.


If you havent read it yet

Alien mind is a thought provoking look at some of the very same things you discuss in the OP

Alien Mind


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My point about Taken was why was so much time being waisted on being entertaining when there is enough information out there that, that time could have been put to better use on making something more educational about this subject.
Taken was based on Alien Abduction Phenomena who needs a fictional accounting about a real phenomena?
There are plenty of Abductees and Experiencers around whom could and would have happily shared their encounters with the "Taken" producers giving them more than enough good and real information to fill that time with.

As for who says "thy" and "thine" these days?
Obviously I do, and 165,000 Amish Mennonites in the US and and approximately 1500 to 227,000 Amish and Mennonites in Canada.
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Posey I didnt think Amish Mennonites were allowed to watch movies on TV or use the internet.

I'm confused by your frustration. Things like Taken and Dark Skies are riffs on the phenomena and not meant to be documentaries. These are vehicles to tell stories for art's sake and to produce money for the producers.

I think Spielburg's observation that the belief in UFOs has become a new religion for some to be spot on in this interview.

While I probably am more willing to entertain the notion that some abduction accounts and close encounters are indeed anomalous events that involve an interaction with something else, some other, than you are my friend, the caution about being careful about mixing fact and fiction is so incredibly important and so often routinely ignored.

As someone recently reminded me, the evolution of the grey alien can be clearly traced back through pop-culture. The perception of the paranormal is clearly influenced by media who is in turn influenced by the paranormal experiences or beliefs of the creators. However, there seems to be a great deal of people who feel that television and movies are used a vehicle to communicate hidden truths and agendas. A good example of this is Project Camelot and David Wilcock who apparently view things like the Stargate series, The Event, and V, as though they were Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, 60 minutes, and World at War.

I think it might have something to do with rights and legal concerns as much as anything else. I'm with you on the UFO designs as well but you're faced with the problem of there be some many different ones. Almost every sightings is of a unique object.

Now I think you are talking UFO myth. What technologies are you referring to? This is something I've looked into and have some direct experience and interest in so to speak. I've worked in the High Tech and Computer industries since around 1980. The transistor, the integrated circuit, fiber optics, night-vision, and Velcro have traceable lineages contrary to the claims of Col. Corso and others.

I think you raise a good question though about how far could have been by now if we weren't preoccupied with our differences and killing on one another. Also think about how far we could be if humanity hadn't been systematically killing off their own offspring before their potential is ever realized? It is a chilling thought. How many technological miracles have we been denied because their creators were killed in the womb?

Pixelsmith, as I am sure you know, that was just a response to your question about who says Thy and Thine these days?
My using the terms “Thy and Thine” does not make me an Amish Mennonite.
Just as my speaking English does not make me an Englishman.
As for me I am an Owean and speak and write as I choose.
Do you always speak the same when you talk to your friends as you do when you speak to your pets, your parents, your siblings, your teachers, your minister, or your supervisors?
Do you use words and terms like that's phat, that's awesome, that's cool, that's hot, that's cold, that's bad, that's def, that's the sh*t, trashed, lol, roflmao, <3, Imho, in their formal meaning or do you use them in colloquial terms?
Is Pixelsmith your real name or the name of the shield you hide behind?
IF I WRITE LIKE THIS AM I SHOUTING?
if i write like this am i whispering?
Neither you nor any real person ever speaks, writes, or spells the same way all the time.
As I do you do, and you do as I do.
My friend, the important thing is not the words I use to say it, but did you understand what I said?
If an astronomer can use an expression like googillion which means "largest number possible" and is a synonym for everyday real-world objects that are unknown and unknowable, and is a word he got from his three year old son when he asked him what was the biggest number he could think of, and is now accepted and used as a real term by the scientific community, then my using the antiquated words “Thy and Thine” will not destroy the English language, and yes I know this is a run on sentence, and I wrote it this way deliberately and with malice aforethought.

OBTW:
Didnt is spelt didn’t.

Posey, I suspect that you are more of a poet than you are anything else and therefore the use of archaic expressions doesn't surprise me in the least. Rock on with your bad self!

This above all: to thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man.

I'm listening to an interview with the author George LoBuono. He has already quoted known bullshitters Robert (cry for the alien) Dean and Clifford (56 flavors) Stone on the nature and psychology of aliens. Sweet Jesus! He speaks about the emotional lives of various alien races and so forth with confidence, things that I find highly unlikely that he or anyone else on Earth could possibly know.

It also seems clear that he has bought into Bearden's Scalar pseudo-science! It is scalar energy this and scalar energy that. I should have known when I saw he was a Project Camelot interviewee that his standards of evidence might be wanting.

Yeah George is one of a kind thats for sure
None the less i found his book fascinating, not suggesting its the "Truth" by any means.

No offense taken or meant.
My friends tell me that I take things said about this phenomena too seriously.
In truth I can't argue with them when they say that.
It's just that I been in this battle for the truth so long (50+ yrs), maybe too long so sometimes the jokes go over my fat head.
When you live in a foxhole so long, you tend to duck any time something comes at you.
Even if its a helping hand.

Well said.
But the Betty Hills needle in the navel pregnancy test, the probes of Whitley Strieber, are the first thing that pops into my mind and the report of the strange fire (Fiber optics) at the second crash site at Roswell.
There is nothing pro or con about what tech did or did not come from alien crashes.
I just think about how fast technology advanced in the years after that crash is unprecedented in human history.
No one can really say anything about where these technologies came from or was inspired by.
While learning Electronics and color TV repair back in the early 80s as my teacher was picking different parts of a disassemble color TV set and explaining what they were and how they worked when he picked up a transistor he said, "As far as for how these things work we technicians say these run off PFM, or (Pure F*cking Magic). We don't know how they hell they work, or where the hell they came from."
He did not laugh, smile or grin, he was quite serious.
As far as I am concerned so what who cares were they came from?
I don't need that to determine if Aliens or UFOs are real.
I have experienced them since I was a kid, as have my siblings and I was later to learn my parents, their siblings, and their parents have experienced them, and still I can't tell you what they are or where they come from,
I only know that they are, and neither Spielburg, the movies, or TV shows had anything to do with it.
My frustration comes from the fact that I for years tried to tell people about these things although I did not think they were Aliens, or know what to call them.
It was not until I was forty that my mother admitted to me that she and most of my extended family had encountered these things too.
See some of my other articles posted at this site, and about the Internet if you are interested.

Well said.
But the Betty Hills needle in the navel pregnancy test, the probes of Whitley Strieber, are the first thing that pops into my mind and the report of the strange fire (Fiber optics) at the second crash site at Roswell.
There is nothing pro or con about what tech did or did not come from alien crashes.
I just think about how fast technology advanced in the years after that crash is unprecedented in human history.
No one can really say anything about where these technologies came from or was inspired by.
While learning Electronics and color TV repair back in the early 80s as my teacher was picking different parts of a disassemble color TV set and explaining what they were and how they worked when he picked up a transistor he said, "As far as for how these things work we technicians say these run off PFM, or (Pure F*cking Magic). We don't know how they hell they work, or where the hell they came from."
He did not laugh, smile or grin, he was quite serious.
As far as I am concerned so what who cares were they came from?
I don't need that to determine if Aliens or UFOs are real.
I have experienced them since I was a kid, as have my siblings and I was later to learn my parents, their siblings, and their parents have experienced them, and still I can't tell you what they are or where they come from,
I only know that they are, and neither Spielburg, the movies, or TV shows had anything to do with it.
My frustration comes from the fact that I for years tried to tell people about these things although I did not think they were Aliens, or know what to call them.
It was not until I was forty that my mother admitted to me that she and most of my extended family had encountered these things too.
See some of my other articles posted at this site, and about the Internet if you are interested.

Well said.
But the Betty Hills needle in the navel pregnancy test, the probes of Whitley Strieber, are the first thing that pops into my mind and the report of the strange fire (Fiber optics) at the second crash site at Roswell.
There is nothing pro or con about what tech did or did not come from alien crashes.
I just think about how fast technology advanced in the years after that crash is unprecedented in human history.
No one can really say anything about where these technologies came from or was inspired by.
While learning Electronics and color TV repair back in the early 80s as my teacher was picking different parts of a disassemble color TV set and explaining what they were and how they worked when he picked up a transistor he said, "As far as for how these things work we technicians say these run off PFM, or (Pure F*cking Magic). We don't know how they hell they work, or where the hell they came from."
He did not laugh, smile or grin, he was quite serious.
As far as I am concerned so what who cares were they came from?
I don't need that to determine if Aliens or UFOs are real.
I have experienced them since I was a kid, as have my siblings and I was later to learn my parents, their siblings, and their parents have experienced them, and still I can't tell you what they are or where they come from,
I only know that they are, and neither Spielburg, the movies, or TV shows had anything to do with it.
My frustration comes from the fact that I for years tried to tell people about these things although I did not think they were Aliens, or know what to call them.
It was not until I was forty that my mother admitted to me that she and most of my extended family had encountered these things too.
See some of my other articles posted at this site, and about the Internet if you are interested.

Well thought out and said.
But the Betty Hills needle in the navel pregnancy test, the probes of Whitley Strieber, are the first things that pops into my mind and the report of the strange fire (Fiber optics) at the second crash site at Roswell.
There is nothing pro or con about what tech did or did not come from alien crashes.
I just think about how fast technology advanced in the years after that crash is unprecedented in human history.
No one can really say anything about where these technologies came from or was inspired by.
While learning Electronics and color TV repair back in the early 80s as my teacher was picking different parts of a disassemble color TV set and explaining what they were and how they worked when he picked up a transistor he said, "As far as for how these things work we technicians say these run off PFM, or (Pure F*cking Magic). We don't know how they hell they work, or where the hell they came from."
He did not laugh, smile or grin, he was quite serious.
As far as I am concerned so what who cares were they came from?
I don't need that to determine if Aliens or UFOs are real.
I have experienced them since I was a kid, as have my siblings and I was later to learn my parents, their siblings, and their parents have experienced them, and still I can't tell you what they are or where they come from,
I only know that they are, and neither Spielburg, the movies, or TV shows had anything to do with it.
My frustration comes from the fact that I for years tried to tell people about these things although I did not think they were Aliens, or know what to call them.
It was not until I was forty that my mother admitted to me that she and most of my extended family had encountered these things too.
See some of my other articles posted at this site, and about the Internet if you are interested in knowing more about my experiences.

I wholeheartedly disagree Posey. These things have a traceable linage. A recorded history of their development. They didn't spring up over night.

Well then sadly, he was ignorant. What can I say? Look it up yourself.

Please understand me, I don't dispute there being traceable records I just don't trust those records.
When we all know our government, our military, and our industries constantly disinform us with misinformation, I can put no faith in any records that they have had over sixty years to whip up and plant.
I know what I know not because I read about them, or this one or that one says that or this about them.
I've witnessed these strange craft and some of the entities that pilot them, before I even knew what to call them.
So I know the government lies when they claim they do not exist, well actually the government, and the military never said they do not exist, only that they pose no threat to the public, and show no useful technology that the government, and the military deems useful.
Both of these statements we that have encountered or seen these things, know to be a lie.
For those that never have seen or been touched by these things it will always be a delightful fantasy, or good science fiction and nothing I write or say will ever change what they believe.
However for those that have experienced these things first hand nothing can, or will ever change what they know.
Speculation cannot and will not ever cancel experience.
It is because of this that I believe that if some of these vehicles crashed or fell to the Earth and we got hold to them we would back engineer the hell out of them.
Hell we do that to any new device we get that falls into our greedy little hands, and to keep it secret what would our government, our military, and our industries not say or do?

This is science not magic Posey. You have paranormal experiences. I have technological ones. I am here to tell you that the science behind transistors, semiconductors, and VLSI is well understood. I have worked in numerous roles for Data General , Convex Computer Corporation (Supercomputers), Hewlett Packard, and Ratheon. I have done everything from system to component level troubleshooting in manufacturing and R&D environments. I have worked with the guys who design the VLSI components for supercomputers and systems themselves. The science is well understood as well as where it came from and largely where it is going to wind up. I have experienced these things first hand Posey.

I personally do not think that the back-engineering of a significantly advanced or significantly different technology is even remotely possible. Whatever powers and levitates mile long airframes and propels them at fantastic speeds with instantaneous acceleration is probably several orders above any back-engineering attempts. The analogy of giving an iPad to someone in th Middle Ages for example is a good one. It would take centuries to understand even the basic principles behind it much less replicate it if ever. The most likely influence that UFOs and their technology has had on our technological development would be inspiration. The idea that something is possible lends to human creativity. I do not think that semiconductor technology was inspired by captured saucers however, far from it.