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Don Ecker — November 16, 2014


Hi Ves., a number of those items in the vid I have seen before. Like many vid's on the net and You Tube, these raise more questions than they answer. I do not have to state it but I will anyway, there is so much garbage and disinfo on line that if a researcher is serious .. damn you have to be careful. As you see even in this video, NASA always has an answer to questions raised by photo's like these. Back in the early 90's there was a joke going around about what NASA really stood for ... N ever A Straight A nswer ... ergo NASA.

Decker
 
Don's defense of Bush's gunrunning program was ridiculous, but his arguments about Atkinson and the cozy relationship between media and government were otherwise spot-on. I was happy to hear Gene's reconciliation of the shared opinions of power after it got tense. The media-government-corporation complex is indeed strangling the truth out of mainstream news (this includes Fox News and The Daily Show. Two sides of the same coin, although on the surface level they appear to be different from the rest of the pack).
 
The famous poster on Fox Mulder's wall was brought up in the interview, 'I want to believe.' Perhaps another saying from the X-Files needs to be remembered, 'Trust no one.' Or trust very few. We have too many investigators willing to trust the likes of a Richard Doty in order to get a ufo scoop. Caution should be the order of the day instead of jumping head first down the rabbit hole.
 
WWKirk, as hard as it is for me to believe it has been close to 20 years since I have spoken to Bill Moore. Honestly I have not really thought about him very much in that time. I am not sure what I think about him today but I can tell you what I thought about him then. I found Bill to be very arrogant back then. Bill had the idea ( from what I determined ) that he simply "knew" he was pretty much smarter than everybody else, not to mention only he really knew what was happening in the "real" UFO field. I was present during that fateful MUFON Symposium in July of 1989 when he gave his lecture admitting he worked with military intelligence and talked about the Paul Bennewitz fiasco. He has been in seclusion for years (as far as UFOs are concerned).

Decker
 
WWKirk, as hard as it is for me to believe it has been close to 20 years since I have spoken to Bill Moore. Honestly I have not really thought about him very much in that time. I am not sure what I think about him today but I can tell you what I thought about him then. I found Bill to be very arrogant back then. Bill had the idea ( from what I determined ) that he simply "knew" he was pretty much smarter than everybody else, not to mention only he really knew what was happening in the "real" UFO field. I was present during that fateful MUFON Symposium in July of 1989 when he gave his lecture admitting he worked with military intelligence and talked about the Paul Bennewitz fiasco. He has been in seclusion for years (as far as UFOs are concerned).

Decker
Do you think he was arrogant enough to participate wth the Feds, for who knows what real reasons, but perhaps in order to rewrite Ufological history, including such things as concocting the MJ12 material?
 
Do you think he was arrogant enough to participate wth the Feds, for who knows what real reasons, but perhaps in order to rewrite Ufological history, including such things as concocting the MJ12 material?

At that time Burnt State, I most CERTAINLY do.

Decker
 
I am about half way through the show. The point I find interesting and one of which I have been making for a while, before I learned of the paracast and of course this forum is how Governments and agencies keep things secret and palatable to the general public. For example during war, such as WW2 when you can intern large segments of the poplution and where a nation gets behind a war effort, big secrets will be harder to keep. Of course I'm talking about the development, testing of the bomb. Now, in peacetime and especially in a world of information like social media, how do you keep big projects that require international co-operation and big money secret? Well - you hide them in plain sight. For example if JFK would have said - 'We choose to go to the Moon to beat the Soviets in building a missile base on it'. I don't think either the public or congress would support the idea, or funding. But put science into the picture and things change. If a soviet sub sinks and you want to recover it, don't announce it to the world, get a friendly billionaire to say he's launching a big ship to 'mine' minerals from the sea bed. Want to see if you can land a probe on an asteroid to test the way for Asteroid mining? No problem - tell people its 'science' and will 'provide us with information how the universe was created' and hey presto - the public half understanding or caring as it's science - will not complain (too much) senates / parliaments or other democratic assemblies give the go ahead for money. If it was announced the real reason was to see if it's possible to land such a craft for mining, mentioning Gold etc, there would be uproar espeically in this economy. What is one of the largest projects at the moment, costing lots of money involving lots of nations? : CERN. Again we are told part of the reason for experiments is 'a better understanding how the universe was created.' throw in some other science not many understand and it passes generally un-noticed. So when a prominent person says ' we have the capability to send ET home' don't just assume it's involving spaceships or back engineered 'saucers', the answer may be found under the ground in Switzerland and may be just as simple as walking through a door into another room...
 
I am about half way through the show. The point I find interesting and one of which I have been making for a while, before I learned of the paracast and of course this forum is how Governments and agencies keep things secret and palatable to the general public. For example during war, such as WW2 when you can intern large segments of the poplution and where a nation gets behind a war effort, big secrets will be harder to keep. Of course I'm talking about the development, testing of the bomb. Now, in peacetime and especially in a world of information like social media, how do you keep big projects that require international co-operation and big money secret? Well - you hide them in plain sight. For example if JFK would have said - 'We choose to go to the Moon to beat the Soviets in building a missile base on it'. I don't think either the public or congress would support the idea, or funding. But put science into the picture and things change. If a soviet sub sinks and you want to recover it, don't announce it to the world, get a friendly billionaire to say he's launching a big ship to 'mine' minerals from the sea bed. Want to see if you can land a probe on an asteroid to test the way for Asteroid mining? No problem - tell people its 'science' and will 'provide us with information how the universe was created' and hey presto - the public half understanding or caring as it's science - will not complain (too much) senates / parliaments or other democratic assemblies give the go ahead for money. If it was announced the real reason was to see if it's possible to land such a craft for mining, mentioning Gold etc, there would be uproar espeically in this economy. What is one of the largest projects at the moment, costing lots of money involving lots of nations? : CERN. Again we are told part of the reason for experiments is 'a better understanding how the universe was created.' throw in some other science not many understand and it passes generally un-noticed. So when a prominent person says ' we have the capability to send ET home' don't just assume it's involving spaceships or back engineered 'saucers', the answer may be found under the ground in Switzerland and may be just as simple as walking through a door into another room...
My take is that governments can do pretty much what they damn well please and the general populace doesn't care. Most people are trying to keep their heads above water. A vast number have their faces buried in their smartphones. A very small number seem to care what what their government is doing behind their backs.

A case in point. After Snowden revealed that the US government is monitoring virtually every person on the planet who uses an electronic device, where has all that talk gone? It seems to have died down for the most part. No government is going to stop spying regardless of what their citizens say.
 
My take is that governments can do pretty much what they damn well please and the general populace doesn't care. Most people are trying to keep their heads above water. A vast number have their faces buried in their smartphones. A very small number seem to care what what their government is doing behind their backs.

A case in point. After Snowden revealed that the US government is monitoring virtually every person on the planet who uses an electronic device, where has all that talk gone? It seems to have died down for the most part. No government is going to stop spying regardless of what their citizens say.

Of course. The worst part is that there's a sizeable population that believes that they should be coddled, spied on, and "protected."

"I have nothing to hide!" [makes a joke about porn] <- completely misses the point.
 
Thank you Don for the recognition of asking you "one heck of a question" regarding Lazar's motives for speaking at the upcoming UFO Congress. And getting an "I don't have a clue..." answer. You then went on to speculate that it may just be for the public adulation, which on the surface is the quick and easy response, but that seems too simple. Maybe he's been withholding the smoking gun evidence that'll rip this thing wide open, or he's just writing a book and needs more business....

And btw Gene: My screen name I've been using for probably 15 years. It started off on a surfing message board and it comes from my tendency to surf my local spot even after recent rains. Where I usually surf is within a few blocks of where the Santa Ana river meets the coast between Huntington and Newport Beaches. On the rare occasions we get some decent rain, the water at my local spot is full of all kinds of garbage and crap, not to mention the unseen possibility of diseases and poop....but it is less crowded and sometimes I'm surfing alone......literally in Toxic Surf...
 
RAAF pilots see them too

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Thank you Don for the recognition of asking you "one heck of a question" regarding Lazar's motives for speaking at the upcoming UFO Congress. And getting an "I don't have a clue..." answer. You then went on to speculate that it may just be for the public adulation, which on the surface is the quick and easy response, but that seems too simple. Maybe he's been withholding the smoking gun evidence that'll rip this thing wide open, or he's just writing a book and needs more business....

And btw Gene: My screen name I've been using for probably 15 years. It started off on a surfing message board and it comes from my tendency to surf my local spot even after recent rains. Where I usually surf is within a few blocks of where the Santa Ana river meets the coast between Huntington and Newport Beaches. On the rare occasions we get some decent rain, the water at my local spot is full of all kinds of garbage and crap, not to mention the unseen possibility of diseases and poop....but it is less crowded and sometimes I'm surfing alone......literally in Toxic Surf...

Be sure to dodge the blind mullets lolololol

Aka the Bondi cigar.......
 
Still refreshing to hear Don speak frankly about separating out the crud from the candy in ufology. It's always what Don does best and he communicates his criteria in ways that make us ask ourselves why we believe what we believe.

Don's observation that field investigation is becoming a lost art hits squarely at the center of what is lacking on today's scene. Great work, Don !
 
I didn't want to give Chris another chance not to ask my question, but I can't help wonder if Don is still as big a believer in Travis Walton as the rest of his fans. I say "still" because he was interviewed by Don here: http://www.dqrm.com/shows/DMR/2010/wk01/dmr-08-w.mp3

In contrast to Walton and the Sitgreaves National Forest incident, someone else who was mentioned was Richard Hall, who is well known to veterans in the ufology community, but in some respects still remains one of ufology's unsung heroes: http://www.dqrm.com/shows/DMR/2010/wk10/dmr-10-th.mp3 ( unfortunately the sound quality is very poor at times. )

Brief: Richard Hall
 
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