Reply With Quotejkoci (03-05-2010)
Until we have a better understanding of situations like these it will be hard to tell how much humans may be involved.Originally Posted by Schuyler
The following is taken from the link below.
Is the AMO a natural phenomenon, or is it related to global warming?
Instruments have observed AMO cycles only for the last 150 years, not long enough to conclusively answer this question. However, studies of paleoclimate proxies, such as tree rings and ice cores, have shown that oscillations similar to those observed instrumentally have been occurring for at least the last millennium. This is clearly longer than modern man has been affecting climate, so the AMO is probably a natural climate oscillation. In the 20th century, the climate swings of the AMO have alternately camouflaged and exaggerated the effects of global warming, and made attribution of global warming more difficult to ascertain.
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/amo_faq.php
and a strong El Niño.
Behind The Weather: Strongest El Nino In A Decade : NPR
and the Atlantic Oscillation.
North Atlantic Oscillation blamed for cold spell - baltimoresun.com
and the PDO.
Vancouver 2010 to Be Warmest Winter Olympics Yet
Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) - Northwest Fisheries Science Center
Last edited by jkoci; 03-04-2010 at 11:34 PM.
Michael Mann is one, who frequently has stated that 'deniars' are in the pocket of Big Oil. He has rec'd in excess of $15 million over the years. I believe the grants are largely via the NSF. Another Is Pachauri, the one famous for suggesting a critic of the Himalayan glacier controversy was indulging in voodoo science. His 'Institute, TERI: The Energy and Resources Institute, has received millions in pounds and Euros to study various aspects opf climate change. The Institute is said to be worth 40 million pounds at present. (One of his grants was to study the Himalayan glacier non retreat. More info is here: http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/201...-rajendra.html This guy should be investigate for making profits off this stuff. His institute opened a 9 hole golf course on pubic land in a city that has water problems. That's kind of like Al Gore riding around in a private jet and telling us it's immoral to drive an SUV.
If you want to 'follow the money' you will see that the warmist tank has billions. Here's a good article from ABC australia: http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2835581.htm
If you see a bomb technician running, try to keep up with him.
jkoci (03-05-2010)
OUCH! Look at this:
Climate scientist delivers false statement in parliament enquiry
It has come to our attention, that last Monday (March 1), Dr. Phil Jones, head of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia (CRU), in a hearing with the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee made a statement in regards to the alleged non-availability for disclosure of Swedish climate data.
Dr. Jones asserted that the weather services of several countries, including Sweden, Canada and Poland, had refused to allow their data to be released, to explain his reluctance to comply with Freedom of Information requests.
This statement is false and misleading in regards to the Swedish data.
All Swedish climate data are available in the public domain. As is demonstrated in the attached correspondence between SMHI (Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute), the UK Met Office and Dr. Jones (the last correspondence dated yesterday March 4), this has been clearly explained to Dr. Jones. What is also clear is that SMHI is reluctant to be connected to data that has undergone “processing” by the East Anglia research unit.
STOCKHOLM INITIATIVE
Göran Ahlgren, secretary general
Kungsgatan 82
12 27 Stockholm, Sweden
Docs referred to are here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/0...-availability/
If you see a bomb technician running, try to keep up with him.
Roro (03-16-2010)
Ouch..look at this.
Phil Jones Exonerated by House of Commons
Conclusions
22.
The focus on Professor Jones and CRU has been largely misplaced. On the accusations relating to Professor Jones’s refusal to share raw data and computer codes, we consider that his actions were in line with common practice in the climate science community. We have suggested that the community consider becoming more transparent by publishing raw data and detailed methodologies. On accusations relating to Freedom of Information, we consider that much of the responsibility should lie with UEA, not CRU. (Paragraph 136)
23.
In addition, insofar as we have been able to consider accusations of dishonesty—for example, Professor Jones’s alleged attempt to “hide the decline”—we consider that there is no case to answer. Within our limited inquiry and the evidence we took, the scientific reputation of Professor Jones and CRU remains intact. We have found no reason in this unfortunate episode to challenge the scientific consensus as expressed by Professor Beddington, that “global warming is happening [and] that it is induced by human activity”. It was not our purpose to examine, nor did we seek evidence on, the science produced by CRU. It will be for the Scientific Appraisal Panel to look in detail into all the evidence to determine whether or not the consensus view remains valid. (Paragraph 137)
24.
A great responsibility rests on the shoulders of climate science: to provide the planet’s decision makers with the knowledge they need to secure our future. The challenge that this poses is extensive and some of these decisions risk our standard of living. When the prices to pay are so large, the knowledge on which these kinds of decisions are taken had better be right. The science must be irreproachable. (Paragraph 13 )
House of Commons
Science and Technology Committee
The disclosure of climate data from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia
Eighth Report of Session 2009–10
This will not affect things much. Most of the world realizes that AGW via CO2 was a big scam. Hopefully now we can address real environmental issues.Ouch..look at this.
Phil Jones Exonerated by House of Commons
Conclusions
22.
The focus on Professor Jones and CRU has been largely misplaced. On the accusations relating to Professor Jones’s refusal to share raw data and computer codes, we consider that his actions were in line with common practice in the climate science community. We have suggested that the community consider becoming more transparent by publishing raw data and detailed methodologies. On accusations relating to Freedom of Information, we consider that much of the responsibility should lie with UEA, not CRU. (Paragraph 136)
23.
In addition, insofar as we have been able to consider accusations of dishonesty—for example, Professor Jones’s alleged attempt to “hide the decline”—we consider that there is no case to answer. Within our limited inquiry and the evidence we took, the scientific reputation of Professor Jones and CRU remains intact. We have found no reason in this unfortunate episode to challenge the scientific consensus as expressed by Professor Beddington, that “global warming is happening [and] that it is induced by human activity”. It was not our purpose to examine, nor did we seek evidence on, the science produced by CRU. It will be for the Scientific Appraisal Panel to look in detail into all the evidence to determine whether or not the consensus view remains valid. (Paragraph 137)
24.
A great responsibility rests on the shoulders of climate science: to provide the planet’s decision makers with the knowledge they need to secure our future. The challenge that this poses is extensive and some of these decisions risk our standard of living. When the prices to pay are so large, the knowledge on which these kinds of decisions are taken had better be right. The science must be irreproachable. (Paragraph 13 )
House of Commons
Science and Technology Committee
The disclosure of climate data from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia
Eighth Report of Session 2009–10
ok my thoughts on global warming and the melting ice caps are
-Ice is suppose to melt right
-Carbon Tax ? wonder if they'll tax oxygen next
-The earth heating up? its been pretty fucking cold lately unless i'm blind and can't feel
On a more serious note* I think the reason we have ice caps is because we are at the very end of a ice age , equals why they are melting . Short and sweet .
More damage control.
An Open Letter from Scientists in the United States on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and Errors Contained in the Fourth Assessment Report: Climate Change 2007
Open Letter from U.S. Scientists on the IPCC - Home
only true believers that have turned Global Warming into their new Faith still believe in it... but hey, that's just like the Evolutionists.
"Fact's be damned! Don't touch our religion!"
Open Minds are a hard thing to find.
"It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion."
- Francis Bacon
Greenpeace is now Greenwar.
On Green"peace".org: Physical threats for climate realists?
Climate Rescue Weblog: Will the real ClimateGate please stand up? (part 2)
Emerging battle-bruised from the disaster zone of Copenhagen, but ever-hopeful, a rider on horseback brought news of darkness and light: "The politicians have failed. Now it's up to us. We must break the law to make the laws we need: laws that are supposed to protect society, and protect our future. Until our laws do that, screw being climate lobbyists. Screw being climate activists. It's not working. We need an army of climate outlaws."
The proper channels have failed. It's time for mass civil disobedience to cut off the financial oxygen from denial and skepticism.
If you're one of those who believe that this is not just necessary but also possible, speak to us. Let's talk about what that mass civil disobedience is going to look like.
If you're one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:
We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.
And we be many, but you be few.
