Interview with David M. Rountree

[cephlon1]

Great interview guys. I found David very informative when it came to technology and the paranormal providing very sensible descriptions on how to meaningfully interpret EMF readings. Especially the need to know what frequencies to look for readings of significance. I would be interested to know what he thought about how some researchers communicate by fluctuating field strength responses and are static electricity charge readings meaningful.

What I found really interesting was his explanation for hauntings - matter going to an from different realms, be it multidimensional or multi-universal. His explanation, as he stated sits well with quantum Mechanics and the membrane explanation proposed by string theory. It also fits in well with what UFO researcher Phil Imbrogno says in his book, The Mulitdimensional Universe.


David, who said he doesn't believe in ghosts, has another thing in common with Phillip that he mentions right at the end of the interview where he states he was one of a group of paranormal researchers that survived an encounter with an evil non-human entity they uncovered. This sounds similar to Phill's experience with his Dream Team researchers in the late 70s (see link below).

http://www.mysterious-america.net/realitych1209.html

 

[Tom From Hong Kong]

Good program, except I would have liked to have heard more detail about his experiences with the ancient Sumerian demon (The Exorcist on the radio!). Despite the view that we each create our own hell, these accounts of independent evil entities seem to creep up from credible sources periodically, and the thought that they could impact people's lives directly in this physical world gives one pause.

 

[Ofaebtas]

Very interesting... I'm only about half way through... but, I find this very interesting.

How about those cases where weird cryptozoological creatures like bigfoot show up at the same time as there's a UFO citing? Or a UFO shows up in places with ghostly activity? Then you take the stories that some people claim they have experienced stepping into a "UFO" and finding the inside of it much larger than they expected. Then you think about what David Biedny pointed out in the episode before this one: something along the lines of "How do they know they're inside the "craft" and not somewhere else?"

So just as a thought experiment, what if some UFOs are sort of "moveable wormhole portals" and not really "craft/vehicles" in the traditional sense? I mean, if you had wormhole technology that would let you roughly choose where/when the other end opens up, wouldn't you want it to open/manifest in the air rather than on the ground where you'd have a higher chance of ending up tangled with some form of "hard matter"?

What if opening up the other end of one of these manufactured wormholes sometimes just pulls in "garbage" from elsewhere? Like for a brief moment you might see a bi-pedal ape like being carrying a box of chocolates from another dimension/time, or since the spacetime around the portal is "disrupted" maybe you could hear or see an event that took place 30 years ago on our time line in close vicinity to where the portal opened up?

 

[Brian Now]

You know, I've heard the stuff about picking radio transmissions with your dental fillings before. I've never heard anything definitive on it so far (though it may bbe out there). What I've never heard is hearing them with a tub of water. Hmmmm.
People hallucinating from paint fumes? Getting "high" can change your discernment of normal sounds around you (don't ask how I know that! ) so maybe. But didn't he imply high EM can do it too? I wonder how many studies back up.

And 350 millirads of radiation being produced when these events occur? I'm guessing he means during EVPs? Looking around the internet, 350 millirads seems to be awfully light for being the equivalent of a small nuclear blast. It is kinda high though in general, I wonder if he can back that up. Is everyone exposed to this radiation anytime they're around the area of an EVP?
I'm just leary of the science some paranormal investigators say they use.

 

[Red]

You know, I've heard the stuff about picking radio transmissions with your dental fillings before. I've never heard anything definitive on it so far (though it may bbe out there). What I've never heard is hearing them with a tub of water. Hmmmm.
People hallucinating from paint fumes? Getting "high" can change your discernment of normal sounds around you (don't ask how I know that! ) so maybe. But didn't he imply high EM can do it too? I wonder how many studies back up.

And 350 millirads of radiation being produced when these events occur? I'm guessing he means during EVPs? Looking around the internet, 350 millirads seems to be awfully light for being the equivalent of a small nuclear blast. It is kinda high though in general, I wonder if he can back that up. Is everyone exposed to this radiation anytime they're around the area of an EVP?
I'm just leary of the science some paranormal investigators say they use.

Brian Now,
Roundtree goes into more detail in his blog post here: SPIRIT LAB Research Blog Have I screwed up and discovered a Lorenzian Wormhole?
Not sure that it answers all of your questions, but it should help.

 

[mikec]

This was one interesting dude.

I am always cautious of anyone who gives exact percentages, especially about somewhat unknowable stuff (David R. would say things like: "between 79% and 82%").

But, I was shocked when, a minute before the show ended, he said: "Back then, at the time, I was a practicing SHAMAN..." What? THe analytical guy with all the technical knowledge and common sense insights into various electric metering says he was a SHAMAN! Wow! (???)

And - Did he ever share his sighting while in the air-force? Did I miss it?

This guy was open minded AND extremely meticulous. A rare combo.

Gene and David, if you ever have a future show where you need a technical expert (on non-photoshop stuff) involving ghost "hunting" get this guy back on as a co-host!

Also - if you ever do a show on building igloos, you can call me for technical expertise.

 

[Brian Now]

Brian Now,
Roundtree goes into more detail in his blog post here: SPIRIT LAB Research Blog Have I screwed up and discovered a Lorenzian Wormhole?
Not sure that it answers all of your questions, but it should help.

Thanks for that. It appears that the math details were provided by this Tony Bermanseder, who I guess is one of the physicists that Roundtree mentions in the podcast. There's no way in Hell I could comment on all that.
It seems that Bermanseder (aka Tony Sirebard) is an Australian who people call a mathematician and a physicist with only a Bsc (doesn't that mean the same thing in Australia as it does in North America, a Bachelor of Science?). And he's got quite a lot of ideas in addition to physics including "theory of everything" and Kabbalah.

Anywho, it appears Tony also goes by Abraxsinas or "Sirebard Beardris" on the Project Avalon forums (an offshoot of Project Camelot according to the front page). Wow, read that post. I get the impression he is channeling an extraterrestrial entity there. Roundtree has got colorful friends.

I realize you can be crazy and still be brilliant in your field. But why does it seem almost everyone in ufology/paranormal willingly cavorts with at least one questionable character?

PS, he addresses the "Stan Romanek Equations" too.

 

[Gareth]

Really like this guy. Happy he is involved in paranormal research.

Regarding the 3am thing, there is research that suggests that levels of naturally occurring DMT in the brain reaches its peak levels around 3am. I think there's a very good chance that it could explain a lot of the weird things people experience at that time of the morning.

And if that is what's going on, the next question is whether all that's happening is a hallucination, or possibly an altering of the brain/filter by the DMT that allows for someone to perceive more of what's happening in their immediate reality.

All fascinating stuff, IMO.

 

[marduk]

Absolutely loved the show. The guy obviously has a decent grasp on the BS out there.

Caused me to dig into plasmas -- I thought cold plasmas were still very hot. Turns out there's some interesting research out there on room temperature plasmas.

One minor-ish concern I had though (caveat: I am not a physicist)... I think I heard Rountree mention the use of the zero point field for communication. I have a hard time with this; the zero point state is literally the ground state of empty space. Think of it like this: freeze water and make ice. It's lost the bulk of it's energy but there's still some down there deep so it's energy state is > 0. Space is the same way -- empty it out and it's ground state still has some (very small) amount of energy left in it.

It is possible to extract energy from the vacuum but it is still orders of magnitude less than the ground state of any form of mass. And since it is the ground state of empty space I have trouble understanding how you could manipulate it to convey information. Especially when there's lots of other junk in that space on Earth inducing noise in the zero point field.

For some context, see the following (http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/vacuum.html)

We can measure the energy density of the vacuum through astronomical observations that determine the curvature of spacetime. All the measurements that have been done agree that the energy density is VERY CLOSE TO ZERO. In terms of mass density, its absolute value is less than 10-26 kilograms per cubic meter. In terms of energy density, this is about 10-9 joules per cubic meter.

A very rough calculation of one cubic meter of air at room temperature is 10^4J -- 13 orders of magnitude higher. To put some more context around this, it's the relative difference to the heat one human puts out at rest every tenth of a second (10J) and the the first atomic bomb (the fat man released 9x10^13 joules of energy). The noise is so close to zero as to effectively be zero.

 

[Apocalypto]

Cool show. Keep them coming. (And thanks again for doing the great work.)

 

[drsamisaladin]

A very good show indeed.

A few devil's advocate observations: Rountree says he believes that human consciousness might endure after death, but that he doesn't believe in ghosts "like Caspar the friendly ghost." But does anyone believe in ghosts in that mode? In other words, it sounds to me like he does believe in ghosts, but doesn't want to really admit it openly.

Second and last, his continual emphasis on wormholes seems to make wormholes into something less exotic than they might actually be. In other words, I suspect that we all are tempted to think we know what a wormhole is when we are only beginning to know.

I just can't help but thinking that in the end the main answer to the paranormal might be that there is no answer, and that the parts of the overall answer that we can arrive at will eventually be found to be far more exotic or strange and majestic than anything we can even think about at our present state of knowledge.

Dr. Sami Saladin,
Pisa, Italy

 

[Para]

A very good show indeed.

"A few devil's advocate observations: Rountree says he believes that human consciousness might endure after death, but that he doesn't believe in ghosts "like Caspar the friendly ghost." But does anyone believe in ghosts in that mode? In other words, it sounds to me like he does believe in ghosts, but doesn't want to really admit it openly."

My understanding of Rountrees interpretation of what a Ghosts / Apparitions is a recorded playback ( under particular conditions ) of an event that has already taken place. ( Google; Stone Tape Theory ) imprinted past events on the environment.

Have you ever heard of the "Talking Walls" experiment which took place in Kenfig, Wales by two researchers back in the 1980's. Their basis of their experiment was to place a reel to reel recorder locked inside a building which has a very colorful history over hundreds of years. They then charged the walls of the building with 40,000 volts of electicity. Upon playback of their recordings they captured sounds which included, singing, talking, chains, and organ music. No one was inside the building at the time of the recordings also the experiments were done late at night. I have a copy of the original recordings.

As for if one does in fact live on in some form after bodily death, I have read many books on the subject and I have to say it is facinating. I would like to think we do. But then, we will all find out one day.

 

[Ofaebtas]

Have you ever heard of the "Talking Walls" experiment which took place in Kenfig, Wales by two researchers back in the 1980's. Their basis of their experiment was to place a reel to reel recorder locked inside a building which has a very colorful history over hundreds of years. They then charged the walls of the building with 40,000 volts of electicity. Upon playback of their recordings they captured sounds which included, singing, talking, chains, and organ music. No one was inside the building at the time of the recordings also the experiments were done late at night. I have a copy of the original recordings.

What were the names of the people conducting these experiments? Are there any interviews available where they elaborate on the subject? thanks.

 

[Para]

You can listen to the complete recordings here. It was featured on the Haunted New Jersey podcast way back in 2005. The quality isn't great but listen all the same it is worth it.

Let me know what you think!

 

[drew hempel]

David is focusing on "good equipment" when in fact we should be focusing on "good mediums" or "good healers", etc.

For example this video of qigong master John Chang is must viewing -- and he gets tested by the Albert Einstein Medical Institute doctor and a paranormal specialist, etc.


O.K. after that video was made John Chang went underground so to speak but consider this news report on qigong master Chunyi Lin -- working with the Mayo Clinic:


Now if that doesn't do it for you -- here's a whole series of testimonies of people healed of serious diseases by qigong master Chunyi Lin

http://www.springforestqigong.com/testimonials.htm

And, again, Chunyi Lin works with the Mayo Clinic -- he coauthored with Dr. Nisha Manek, a qigong chapter for the Mayo Clinic medical textbook and he's taught qigong to the Mayo Clinic doctors and the doctors have referred patients to him, etc.

Also Chunyi Lin has a self-learning course so anyone can learn to do what he does -- maybe at not quite the same level -- but he has many master healer students.

These healing abilities also enable seeing dead spirits, having precognition and telekinesis and telepathy and going without food and water, etc. I've done this training myself so I know it's for real.

 

[phantasmosxmagnum]

I'm so glad that Mr.Roundtree was a guest and on my personal favorite paranormal research subject EVPs of course. I began a thread here on my very limited and personal investigation into EVPs with some interesting and somewhat surprising results due mainly to intelligent responses.

I too try to see all paranormal occurrences in a "scientific curiosity mode" which is akin to a skeptic but open minded to the possibilities of theories and or an explanation.

Hopefully he will return soon as a possible roundtable or yet just another welcomed guest.

 

[Brian Now]

David is focusing on "good equipment" when in fact we should be focusing on "good mediums" or "good healers", etc.

For example this video of qigong master John Chang is must viewing -- and he gets tested by the Albert Einstein Medical Institute doctor and a paranormal specialist, etc.

While I tend to believe in mediumship I'd have to disagree with you on that. I think that knowing the limitations of equipment is very useful in what he's doing. Mediumship would be an ancillary tool.

By the way, if you're interested in John Chang you should read Kosta Danaos' book "The Magus of Java". It is about the same guy, in fact that old video is what was supposed to have inspired Danaos to go find John Chang in Indonesia. John's name was changed in the book, I believe.

Thanks for the link to Chunyi Lin also.

 

[Jay]

I'm only about halfway through this episode, but it's been great so far. VERY nice to hear someone in this field doing some real research, with good equipment and he seemingly knows what he is talking about.

 

[Schuyler]

I found this interview kind of peculiar. On the one hand Rountree presents a highly technical way of dealing with EVP and "ghosts" by using expensive and sensitve instrumentation. On his website the mathematical equations are complex and deep, unaccessible to most people without a heavy math background. He is obviously detail oriented with a wide knowledge of a number of technical subjects.

But then he flies to the opposite extreme and suggests he's found a Lorenzian wormhole, spirit mediums telling him stuff about his grandfather, the reality of life after death, and photographic orbs being souls of the dead in the form of some sort of plasma.

I dunno. The two extremes just had me scratching my head, is all.

 

[Xylo]

Interesting episode.

I'm most impressed by the work he's done regarding EVP. To find someone that actually understands the "what" of an EVP, and bases that upon actual experimentation is a rarity.

I'm only about 3/4 of the way through this episode, but I do find it riveting. Though I was a bit suspicious when he began speaking about psychics/mediumship and that he actually befriended a few of them.