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Do You Miss Your Pre-Internet Brain?

Do you miss your Pre-Internet brain?


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Gloom and doom?? Soylent Green??? I'm surprised if you read several of Greer's articles and didn't come across one of his basic and oft repeated themes - that it won't be apocalypse and it won't be Star Trek - but rather a "long descent" to an agrarian baseline. Long as in two to three centuries. And he is quite optimistic that we can carry some of the better technology along with us and have a very good quality of life! Keep reading, keep reading!
I would agree with this scenario. It's going to be a longish descent. Any one life will not see the whole trajectory from beginning to end. What we set in motion now will be key, however, to that sustainable future with a very good quality of life. It will not happen, though, unless we're smart about it now. The changes are happening - even though there are bizarre drags on the process. I know I do what I can to set in motion a future that is free from corporate power, that is more local, with free local energy, and sustainable renewable technology. It is going to be a very good future imo. I wish I could be around to see it.
His best advice should Attila the Hun come knocking? Know how to brew good beer. ;-)
Random violence with brigand groups trying to grab resources will likely be a problem in some areas. Some areas may even be overtaken by such - but in the long haul, civilization will maintain or emerge from twilights. It always has.
 
I've always wanted to have a paper and pen correspondence - I've only had one person in my adult life write me real "gee whiz" letters in a broad, looping hand - running on for pages and it's wonderful. I've had some extensive e-mail correspondence that settled into a fairly regular several times a month routine with real substance ... but that's it.

The asynchronous aspect of internet chat - forum chat like this is different. You can edit and even delete posts after sending them and you don't have to necessarily wait a set time for delivery. A letter once sent, is sent.

This isn't a change with the internet because I didn't have it before ... but maybe it will inspire me to try this route.

Does anyone else have a pen pal?
 
Does anyone else have a pen pal?
I lost them all before I turned 25.

The Internet followed shortly after.

I also long for a time of handwritten letters, reading Wuthering Heights and Conan Doyle by candlelight, and keeping two separate journals that I write in regularly, one documenting dreams and the other identifying birds that visit the backyard.
 
Does anyone else have a pen pal?
I have written letters across decades. As lives have become more busy, the correspondence gets less frequent - but the possibility is always there - especially as the use of e-mail is not always possible in all instances. Even when it is possible, it's not as satisfying. It's too quick. Depth is not possible.

When I receive a letter from my friend in Berlin (for example) it is a moment of supreme joy. It's delicious. I sit in my 'nook', with hot tea and the warm sun, and carefully unseal the letter. Usually pictures fall out, sometimes a feather, or an unusual postcard from a day trip she and her husband took to Madrid on a long weekend to Spain. The writing is on scented paper, tucked into a beautiful card. It's an event. I savor the news - and then - in time - I write my own letter, with news, and reminisces, plans for meeting up in London or Paris next summer (which we never do), talk of the books I've been reading, will even talk about the internet chat, how work is going, and muse about life, philosophize regarding children, time and death, especially if there is news of a mutual friend having passed away. That's letters - totally incomparable to the internet.

For those friends who are on the internet, there is FaceBook - which is public, so very, very different. Yet, I am able to keep in touch in a much more vivid and immediate way - though I don't post personal pictures and status updates - just pictures of flowers, poetic sayings and philosophical sentiments. Some politics. ;) But it's not really personal, quite. Not the same.

Most of my friends are letter writers. We always keep in touch via Christmas card letters, at least.

Honestly, it may be a woman thing. :)
 
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How Loss of Privacy May Mean Loss of Security - Scientific American
 
I closed off the last day before March break with a conversation in my class on sexting & corporate consumer culture: who makes the media? What kind of media do teens make online with their current tools? What's the value of being original and having your own thoughts vs. the Disneyfied version of human relations? These were some of the talking points that opened them up to exploring the mediated reality of the 21st century. It promoted two students to say, "Sir, i was so close to shutting down my Facebook account." "Me too," says another. "But I just couldn't do it." "Me neither," says the girl beside him, and I slammed my fist on the table, and I said joyfully, "Do it! Leave Facebook behind! Free yourself! You can do it!"

We had a great close out to the week. There's nothing like watching young minds getting turned on by free thinking and start on the path of critiquing their banal parts of culture, their media stereotyping, and gaining an awareness of the physical and mental diseases that come with listening to the marketing messages of personal inadequacy and low self-esteem, that apparently only products will cure them of. The young mind does succumb to a lot of cognitive dissonance in our digital era, this human experiment on our well-being.
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You know, kids sext all the time despite the many warnings, talks, and explanations of the costs of creating and distributing child pornography, which the current laws in North America define these practices as. Some kids now just make porn and produce it for the web, to share with friends, not to make money in the online pornography industry, but just as a replication of the media they consume online already. It's more than bizarre, but understandable, as some kid would make a sci fi film with their dad's Super8 camera in the 70's, only these new provacative products are much more disturbing indicators.

What's difficult as a teacher, who likes to disrupt consumer culture with fostering independent critical skills, is that before I've even got a handle on sexting's evolution I know I need to turn my brain to the De-Radicalization of the teen male psyche that sees extremism (joining ISIS & rape culture) as their only trajectory. It's a very fast paced world. Everything changes in an instant. This young Canadian male, with no real familial ties to Islam, decided to go Jihadi and give up playing street hockey, threatening his former homeland from abroad instead - simply surreal.
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I try to juxtapose and contradict these sudden shifts and mental health issues with teaching kids how to practice meditation, engage in mindfulness practice and make media products that critique the world around them, to introduce their own ideas into the digital world.

I stumbled into this advice to youth piece from my favourite Russian director, Andrei Tarkovsky. While his ideas may appear quaint, there's some big truths in here about cultivating an individual, and creative way of being with oneself, stimulated by nature, and not the razzed dazzle of modern life. There's an integrity to this way of thinking.

Sorry for the late reply. Life is what happens while we....yada yada.

It sounds like you are teaching your students that most important and almost endangered exercise of our times: critical thinking. I also hope you are passing this knowledge and wisdom of teaching philosophy on to those first year teachers just paddling furiously to keep their heads above water in the currently overly bureaucratic atmosphere of today's classroom. Or perhaps the educational system still stresses thinking for one's self where you are.

At any rate--Keep up the good work !

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ADD: Re our energy future: a link to one of the most coolly objective analyses of the subject I have seen.

 
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Heard an 'expert' on NPR the other day opining that a certain amount of quiet boredom acts as motivation and stimulus for young minds. Presumably, the imagination's inner driven fantasy networks are brought on line to fill the temporary void. This is, of course, antithesis to constant and externally driven entertainment at the fingertips of today's kids.

Don't know if this is true. But it would comport with Tyger's observations and with the kind of withdrawal symptoms both youth and adults often undergo when deprived of active media entertainment. At least in texting, blogging etc, we are communicating with other minds. But compared to interacting in person, the bandwidth is woefully meager.
I've been reading some different pieces about the impact of digital life on youth and there's some interesting findings. Youth have 40% more dopamine receptors than adult brains so they are much more likely to fall prey to addictions online with whatever media or interactions they participate in and make habitual. There is some increased aggression unfolding due to the rise of social media creating more of an "emergency response" for youth to events in their lives, their impatience with not getting that like or even enough likes for a selfie posted which may cause them to take that selfie down. There's a lot of self-esteem issues getting generated online.

The other interesting piece was about introverts in the age of excessive digital stimulus. The introvert dwells in isolation more often and needs more time processing stimulus to make their less risky decisions. But with so much excessive stimulus the introvert is also taking a hit in the modern era.

Revenge of the introverts | Psychologies

If there's an area to sink some energy into it's working on young male identity formation and their relationship to sexuality. Boys are dropping out of school at an alarming rate in north america. They live in an online world of total self control, fuelled by massive amounts of gaming and pornography. They are not adjusting well to a school space that is more controlling of them and oftentimes not interactive at all. Rarely is this school space helping them form positive male identities not tied to stereotypes. 80% of youth suicide increases over the last decades between the ages of 15-24 are male and the increase in male suicide rates is quite significant up against their female counterparts which have barely risen over the same era. The majority of these suicides are young queer men (homosexual, bi and trans).
 
On topic but just a side look at younger people.

These days I teach sound engineering and in my class room I have some of these.

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And some of these

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Now which one do you think the students go for first?

I will leave this for a few hours then post the answer because it is interesting.
 
I've been reading some different pieces about the impact of digital life on youth and there's some interesting findings. Youth have 40% more dopamine receptors than adult brains so they are much more likely to fall prey to addictions online with whatever media or interactions they participate in and make habitual. There is some increased aggression unfolding due to the rise of social media creating more of an "emergency response" for youth to events in their lives, their impatience with not getting that like or even enough likes for a selfie posted which may cause them to take that selfie down. There's a lot of self-esteem issues getting generated online.

I see the loss of attention to their lives - as in homework, and sudden moodiness, distraction, loss of concentration on the real world. Very, very troubling. Reason to pause when considering who will be carrying the culture in 20 years.

The other interesting piece was about introverts in the age of excessive digital stimulus. The introvert dwells in isolation more often and needs more time processing stimulus to make their less risky decisions. But with so much excessive stimulus the introvert is also taking a hit in the modern era.

Revenge of the introverts | Psychologies

Interesting. Thanks for the link.

If there's an area to sink some energy into it's working on young male identity formation and their relationship to sexuality. Boys are dropping out of school at an alarming rate in north america. They live in an online world of total self control, fuelled by massive amounts of gaming and pornography. They are not adjusting well to a school space that is more controlling of them and oftentimes not interactive at all. Rarely is this school space helping them form positive male identities not tied to stereotypes. 80% of youth suicide increases over the last decades between the ages of 15-24 are male and the increase in male suicide rates is quite significant up against their female counterparts which have barely risen over the same era. The majority of these suicides are young queer men (homosexual, bi and trans).

Good summation. Sobering. The loss of personal connection.
 
On topic but just a side look at younger people.

These days I teach sound engineering and in my class room I have some of these.

X32_P0ASF_Top_XL.png


And some of these

allen-heath-gl2200-32-219570.jpg



Now which one do you think the students go for first?

I will leave this for a few hours then post the answer because it is interesting.

Now for the promised answer to the question.

It is: The NON DIGITAL DESK or the GL2200.

Why?

Because you can see how the signal flow works in a logical order which is not immediately apparent with the digital desk.
With the X32 anything can be made to be anything anywhere you want to place it as it is digital.
I think this has more to do with how our brains function than an age thing to be honest.
 
Now for the promised answer to the question.

It is: The NON DIGITAL DESK or the GL2200.

Why?

Because you can see how the signal flow works in a logical order which is not immediately apparent with the digital desk.
With the X32 anything can be made to be anything anywhere you want to place it as it is digital.
I think this has more to do with how our brains function than an age thing to be honest.
I would have said that most kids would also pick the board that works in a series and where each channel can have very similar things done to them to achieve desired effects. But, I know from working with kids who started mixing music online with software, they gravitate to the flashing lights and colors on the digital board as they are used to managing and manipulating data in groups. I'd be curious to know if the kids you are working with had any prior digital audio experiences or if they were simply new to the field and needed to have those first steps & principles explained?

When I started up a New Media Arts program in my school, with a Tech Design guy of all people, we decided that teaching kids the analog principles and practices of old school photography using digital cameras had a lot of value. Instead of just letting them blast away with pixels we thought explaining to them about the patient processe of the darkroom photographer were critical so that we could slow down the process and get them to think about how they were using the tool and why they were using it, instead of just trying a bunch of camera effects to produce 'fun' digital images.

I still debate this notion as new tools for new generations have different thinking processes in how they make art. What do you think about that, Stoney, as you've also bridged the analog/digital paradigm in your own life and practice? Should we be teaching those old concepts and thinking process or should we be giving ourselves over to these new digital tools? On one hand they do a lot of pre-thinking for the operator, but maybe this frees up the creative brain to make a different kind of work?
 
ADD: Re our energy future: a link to one of the most coolly objective analyses of the subject I have seen.


@boomerang, I would disagree. Overall he is giving a good summation but he is already behind-the-times (at least in this video from 2013/14) - that's how fast the technology is innovating. The problems he is floating are being addressed. In the US we have an aging power-grid. It's upgrading is long overdue, and when it comes it will inevitably factor in the new technologies and sources of energy.

P.S. I hope you don't mind but I'm linking this video over onto the 'What World Under Climate Change' thread. :cool:
 
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I would have said that most kids would also pick the board that works in a series and where each channel can have very similar things done to them to achieve desired effects. But, I know from working with kids who started mixing music online with software, they gravitate to the flashing lights and colors on the digital board as they are used to managing and manipulating data in groups. I'd be curious to know if the kids you are working with had any prior digital audio experiences or if they were simply new to the field and needed to have those first steps & principles explained?

When I started up a New Media Arts program in my school, with a Tech Design guy of all people, we decided that teaching kids the analog principles and practices of old school photography using digital cameras had a lot of value. Instead of just letting them blast away with pixels we thought explaining to them about the patient processe of the darkroom photographer were critical so that we could slow down the process and get them to think about how they were using the tool and why they were using it, instead of just trying a bunch of camera effects to produce 'fun' digital images.

I still debate this notion as new tools for new generations have different thinking processes in how they make art. What do you think about that, Stoney, as you've also bridged the analog/digital paradigm in your own life and practice? Should we be teaching those old concepts and thinking process or should we be giving ourselves over to these new digital tools? On one hand they do a lot of pre-thinking for the operator, but maybe this frees up the creative brain to make a different kind of work?

Well interestingly enough there are only two students that have any prior (computer) digital mixing background, now the interesting thing with them is they found the analog a little confusing to start with. This I think has to do with the way in which they see the information as they kept on looking at it in terms of tracks not input channels.

On the first day I let them all look at the digital end of things then I ban them from it for a few weeks to force them to work with analog and like yourself I have very good reasons for doing this.
In some respects the new gear can almost EQ and mix itself but with analog you are forced to think and work it out for yourself.
In the end I am trying to produce engineers not button pushers and it is all to easy to let the modern gear do the thinking for you.
 
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I didn't vote because none of the options seemed to capitulate my stance on the matter. I think it's a double edged sword currently. One that's wielding with the liberal growth pains of good and bad. I personally think the internet is for the most part a positive addition to humanity. As almost always, the social machine screws it up for many due to a lack of enforced responsibilities, and an excess of false ideals. Instant gratification in the name of credit and pornography are just a few such false ideal motivations. Of course youth are the biggest victims of this ruling class, capitol driven folly. They always are, due to their immature, hormone and peer driven, impulsive, and ultimately impression prone peculiarities. Greed doesn't care, and neither do most of their misguided parents.

Here's my 2cent bottom line: The Good: Knowledge and exposure have immeasurably increased which means accelerated growth and development in key areas that otherwise would have taken many times longer to developmentally mature and effect positive change thereby. The Bad: Knowledge and exposure have immeasurably increased which means idle time burns out the brain bulb far more so quickly. Those not initially luminous enough to burn out, are otherwise victims of dimwitted overt distractions and misguided ignorance. Children, when properly guided exemplify the former, children when victimized by what is no less than misguidance and irresponsibility fueled idle time, mostly due to poor examples at home, suffer the latter in epidemic proportions.

As always the social machine turns on a slippery slope. One that is littered and lined with the banana peels of false entitlement preaching fruitcakes. Proportionately speaking, primarily this momentous treasure trove of an ongoing is due to a gluttony of ruling class greed that encourages in legion the pseudo utopian do-gooders wishful thinking to keep the taxes rolling in. Taxes that never reach their ideal lofty destinations, ever, due for the most part to the deep, dark, ravines of political pockets.

To quote The Reverend Peyton, a great philosopher of Big Damn Band fame, "Everybody wants something, no one wants to pay nothing" Needless to say, the Reverend didn't major in English, but he certainly makes the point clear enough.
 
I didn't vote because none of the options seemed to capitulate my stance on the matter.
Do you mean that nothing has happened or changed inside you, emotionally, intellectually, spiritually etc. since you started sharing your memories and ideas of self online?

But I agree those were limited options to which I amended in post but could not change the options to include:

5. I was online during the Usenet days and was there at the start, and my brain has evolved along with the net.

6. I miss nothing at all as I celebrate the expansion of my mind into new networks & free storage areas. Just give me the jack into the back of my head and I'll be even happier.

Though, neither of those may work for you.
 
Do you mean that nothing has happened or changed inside you, emotionally, intellectually, spiritually etc. since you started sharing your memories and ideas of self online?

Not for me, when put in those terms. Yet.....

For myself, I enjoy good conversation, and I've learned a lot being on-line. No question of that. Most of my news-feed comes from the internet now. For the most part, the internet is positive. It's taught me to be more discerning about text. I think it's heightened my sensibility for the written word, in fact, in a different way than before the internet - though I think I've never wholly let go of my formal habits around writing. It's definitely become a source of endless happy hours listening to lectures of (long gone) great minds and watching documentaries I never would have had access to before. The worst aspect has been a bit of an addiction. :rolleyes:

But I agree those were limited options to which I amended in post but could not change the options to include:
5. I was online during the Usenet days and was there at the start, and my brain has evolved along with the net.
6. I miss nothing at all as I celebrate the expansion of my mind into new networks & free storage areas. Just give me the jack into the back of my head and I'll be even happier.
Though, neither of those may work for you.

I was both there and not there. I had a friend who was very much there. He was a Russian doctoral student who got involved in a vicious (what was called) 'flame war'. I read the archived usenet exchanges. Horrific, slanderous accusations - vicious claims against him. My friend answered it all with tremendous intelligence, but the venom was extreme and followed him to his post-doctoral position many states away from his east coast university. There was no rhyme or reason to it all - just a small cluster of posters taking pleasure in dumping garbage. It had the semblance of reason, but wasn't in the least sane.

When I finally started posting on a chat site myself, my first chat site was unmoderated and it was a free-for-all. Politics. Interesting experience. It was finally shut down. My second chat site was moderately moderated. Some shenanigans erupted every now and again but really difficult posters who would not moderate themselves would get banned. I've read (not participated on) one chat site that is so choked with venom that I seriously question the health/sanity of those participating. My third significant chat site, and one I am still on, is seriously moderated - it's very international - has a huge membership of approx 60,000 members and over 1.5 million posts. That site is rigorously, actively moderated. Posts are routinely deleted if the TOS are violated, without sentimentality or explanation. Threads are closed. Threads are yanked - if posters cannot behave themselves in conversation. Perceived mischief makers are banned without comment. From usenet to that - quite a difference.

This chat site is a curious amalgam of all the other experiences, right down to the usenet-like trolling and spamming. Never thought I would see it but here it is. Has the same mindlessness to it, too, and the tell-tale buddy system. Watching it unfold makes me aware of the negative aspects of the internet. One sees it in the comment section of YouTube videos, or the comment section of news articles on the internet - though there is also a significant presence of intelligent people posting. It is this aspect alone that is exceedingly dangerous for young minds - who don't know they can legitimately complain and say 'no' to such behaviors. It is this aspect - when not responsibly moderated - that gives me the gravest concern for the young who are still new to their manners and decency. Exposed to the viciousness that can be engaged in 'for sport' - I know young people who have been traumatized. I've seen it.
 
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^^^this here is some good thinking and good history regarding online interactions. Thanks for sharing those specifics as it points to the potential of what good dialogue can be.

I miss The Soapbox, a community of eclectic individuals supposedly sponsored by a manatee loving individual who just wanted to see what ideas could spark in open dialogue. Those early 90's era social communications were very potent for me.
 
Do you mean that nothing has happened or changed inside you, emotionally, intellectually, spiritually etc. since you started sharing your memories and ideas of self online?

But I agree those were limited options to which I amended in post but could not change the options to include:

5. I was online during the Usenet days and was there at the start, and my brain has evolved along with the net.

6. I miss nothing at all as I celebrate the expansion of my mind into new networks & free storage areas. Just give me the jack into the back of my head and I'll be even happier.

Though, neither of those may work for you.

#5 is pretty close. I remember the daze kinda well, a little. :confused: A few friends who were sysops back in the stoned age had these things called BBSs. Those jumping from 1200 baud modems to 2400 baud were considered the technologically privileged. They were real shooters, let me tell you. People had BBS parties at real geographic locations, likes parks and such. Thing is, I more or less look at the internet as an extension or expanse of basic technological facilitation, not so much the window like social idiom that it's become. Schools, Dept. Stores, Local Newspapers, and Post Offices are all neat and interesting places, but would you chose to live there based on what each represents to you? There is no sanctuary on the internet, just a conduit of great and many potentials. Like everywhere else, overt commercialization is pollution and ruination waiting to happen.
 
She is commenting pertinent to aspects of the discussion (here) mentioning the internet and it's dangers - especially at the end of her talk. Her perspective is historical as she was the first victim of 'internet news' - or as she states - she was 'Patient Zero'.

Filmed March 2015 at TED2015
Monica Lewinsky: The price of shame
LINK: Monica Lewinsky: The price of shame | Talk Video | TED.com

TEXT: " "Public shaming as a blood sport has to stop," says Monica Lewinsky. In 1998, she says, “I was Patient Zero of losing a personal reputation on a global scale almost instantaneously.” Today, the kind of online public shaming she went through has become constant — and can turn deadly. In a brave talk, she takes a hard look at our online culture of humiliation, and asks for a different way."
 
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