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December 21, 2014 — Dr. Ardy Sixkiller Clarke


I respect Chris's decision not to grill her on dates and places. She's "just" a folklorist who gathers stories.
 
I respect Chris's decision not to grill her on dates and places. She's "just" a folklorist who gathers stories.
'Just' a Folklorist? That sounds a little like a backhanded comment to me. Dr. Clarke stated numerous time she mainly collects stories and she will protect the privacy of those individuals who spoke to her. In her "Sky People' book she tells of the locations of where she visited and what time period she collected those stories. Unfortunately, I received her book on the day of the interview. I only wished I had a better opportunity to ask my questions to her.
 
'Just' a Folklorist? That sounds a little like a backhanded comment to me. Dr. Clarke stated numerous time she mainly collects stories and she will protect the privacy of those individuals who spoke to her. In her "Sky People' book she tells of the locations of where she visited and what time period she collected those stories. Unfortunately, I received her book on the day of the interview. I only wished I had a better opportunity to ask my questions to her.
What's wrong with being a folklorist? Its not an insult.
 
There is certainly nothing wrong with a folklorist. I praise her for her stories. You need to re-read what you wrote. You 'respect' Chris but you damn Dr. Clarke with faint praise, that is how it comes off to me. She gave plenty of information and locations, let's leave it at that.
 
I enjoyed the episode and others like it. I think these collected stories can be useful to modern researchers. If we observe similar UFOs or beings in modern times these stories can be validated and used as a reference point.
 
I enjoyed this episode more than I initially thought I would. It was interesting to hear about all of the various stories passed down through the generations.

Not to meander off-topic but with regards to dates, names, places or "proof," when you get right down to it, what guest on any paranormal show anywhere has ever provided tangible, incontrovertible "proof" that aliens, alien spacecraft or alien abductions are real? Sure, there are compelling personal accounts by generally accepted credible witnesses, seemingly authentic visual evidence, as well as scientifically unproven, open-to-interpretation physical evidence, but nothing has ever been presented that puts the "are we alone" question permanently to bed. Like, say for example, the existence of bears.

Don't get me wrong, personally I'm squarely in the "we are NOT alone" camp and believe, based on the books I've read, documentaries I've watched and the interviews I've heard (many on The Paracast), that there is validity to the assertion that we have been, and are being visited by extraterrestrial, or at the very least crypoterrestrial, intelligence. I just chuckle when people approach this controversial subject as if it is an accepted fact that aliens exist. Similar to how Christians believe in the "fact" of an (impossible-to-prove) magical Jesus.

I respect the fact that individuals who claim to have had firsthand experiences with alien beings, experienced abductions or seen unexplained aerial phenomenon or craft, have had the question definitively answered for themselves, subsequently eliminating doubt in their own mind, but as someone who has never had a related strange or unexplained experience of any kind, I can't claim that my beliefs regarding this subject are supported by anything approaching concrete proof. There is on my part, for lack of a better term, a bit of "faith" involved.
 
I enjoyed the show with Dr. Ardy Sixkiller Clark. She sounds like an interesting women and definitely has a lot of stories from her travels that are very interesting to hear. I can't really take her studies anywhere beyond that though. Interesting stories, but not something from which to draw any conclusions. And to her credit, I don't recall her trying to make anything more of her findings that just that.
 
Gene/ Chris

Great show guys...

Ardy spoke about Red-hand paintings in i believe The Yucatan? This made me think about an overland desert trip i took with a friend of mine in 2004 outside of Fallon NV, we heard stories about a cave with ancient paintings in them. We set out all day overland through the desert no roads harsh terrain, a few hours later we found the cave which looks like an ancient lava flow and inside are many Red paintings. Hands...dots, animals, spirals. I emailed Ardy the pictures.

Marko
 

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Got to listen to this episode finally this morning, great episode. I havent listened to the previous time she was on but as I said, enjoyed this one. Gene and Chris, you guys asked some really good questions of your own as well. The subject matter was a nice change of pace.......
 
I enjoyed this interview more than the first time she was on, mainly because the tone was much nicer toward Dr. Clarke. I'd like to add that it is really cool that anyone can listen to these shows at their leisure.

I feel that these accounts are as important, if not more so, than the usual accounts we are familiar with. Patterns have been established from study of accounts in the U.S. and other countries, yet I always wondered why there weren't more from Native American people. After all, they were the original inhabitants of this country and some tribes have oral histories describing interactions from the far past. We are lucky to get a peek behind the curtain, for these are accounts that would never have been heard by ufo researchers, unless you were a tribe member or had some connections. There are details that are familiar in the literature, yet there are interesting differences too if you take note.
 
I enjoyed this interview more than the first time she was on, mainly because the tone was much nicer toward Dr. Clarke. I'd like to add that it is really cool that anyone can listen to these shows at their leisure.

I feel that these accounts are as important, if not more so, than the usual accounts we are familiar with. Patterns have been established from study of accounts in the U.S. and other countries, yet I always wondered why there weren't more from Native American people. After all, they were the original inhabitants of this country and some tribes have oral histories describing interactions from the far past. We are lucky to get a peek behind the curtain, for these are accounts that would never have been heard by ufo researchers, unless you were a tribe member or had some connections. There are details that are familiar in the literature, yet there are interesting differences too if you take note.
You hit upon it. These stories would never have seen the light of day if a white person tried to get them from the Native Americans.

From the comments Dr. Clarke made in her books, the indigenous people are distrustful of white strangers and rightfully so.
 
Good interview, good stories. A bit like being in school again and listening to old tales in history class without the academic prying.

I'm totally fine with the folklorist angle, I find folklore interesting in itself. It says something about us humans and how our worldviews develop.

Otoh. it rubs me the wrong way when a professor says that she 'believes' that there's a core reality in these 'Star people' stories without problematizing that belief. I mean, while many people (across the world) claim to see angels, few professors would take that at face value. They might believe it personally, but they'd still have to problematize it!

An academic attitude was evident when she explained that the idea about 'alien non-intervention' could be seen as a mirror of the attitudes of the people from where such stories originate. That was an astute observation, but it was formulated almost as an afterthought. She missed several opportunities to show other such mechanisms. Basically, I'm just not used to hearing a professor for whom academic insights are secondary to folklore.

Second, while she shouldn't be expected to bring 'evidence', if she actually believes that some tribes are visited at certain predictable intervals, she must have very little objective interest in the phenomenon if she doesn't pursue the possibility of witnessing such an occurence. It seems that she'd rather just have her belief in peace?

I'm reminded of that Kathlyn Marden character who wrote a book and went on a book tour about supposed repeated and continuous abductions of a lady she knew, instead of spending the time to actually document this supposedly continuous phenomenon. 'The battery died' the one time she tried to record it, if I remember right.. Nice try. Or not.

But while Marden just wrote abduction-porn, Sixkiller told us some interesting stories, and we also learned something about the culture and lore of the places she visited, which I find fundamentally interesting. Also, she seems like a very nice lady, very likeable. I just wish more of the professor in her would have shone through.
 
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