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How Silly is Climate Change Denial?


‘Global warming is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life’

From: Hal Lewis, University of California, Santa Barbara


To: Curtis G. Callan, Jr., Princeton University, President of the American Physical Society

6 October 2010

Dear Curt:
When I first joined the American Physical Society sixty-seven years ago it was much smaller, much gentler, and as yet uncorrupted by the money flood (a threat against which Dwight Eisenhower warned a half-century ago). Indeed, the choice of physics as a profession was then a guarantor of a life of poverty and abstinence—it was World War II that changed all that. The prospect of worldly gain drove few physicists. As recently as thirty-five years ago, when I chaired the first APS study of a contentious social/scientific issue, The Reactor Safety Study, though there were zealots aplenty on the outside there was no hint of inordinate pressure on us as physicists. We were therefore able to produce what I believe was and is an honest appraisal of the situation at that time. We were further enabled by the presence of an oversight committee consisting of Pief Panofsky, Vicki Weisskopf, and Hans Bethe, all towering physicists beyond reproach. I was proud of what we did in a charged atmosphere. In the end the oversight committee, in its report to the APS President, noted the complete independence in which we did the job, and predicted that the report would be attacked from both sides. What greater tribute could there be?

How different it is now. The giants no longer walk the earth, and the money flood has become the raison d’être of much physics research, the vital sustenance of much more, and it provides the support for untold numbers of professional jobs. For reasons that will soon become clear my former pride at being an APS Fellow all these years has been turned into shame, and I am forced, with no pleasure at all, to offer you my resignation from the Society.

It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford’s book organizes the facts very well.) I don’t believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist.

So what has the APS, as an organization, done in the face of this challenge? It has accepted the corruption as the norm, and gone along with it. For example:

1. About a year ago a few of us sent an e-mail on the subject to a fraction of the membership. APS ignored the issues, but the then President immediately launched a hostile investigation of where we got the e-mail addresses. In its better days, APS used to encourage discussion of important issues, and indeed the Constitution cites that as its principal purpose. No more. Everything that has been done in the last year has been designed to silence debate

2. The appallingly tendentious APS statement on Climate Change was apparently written in a hurry by a few people over lunch, and is certainly not representative of the talents of APS members as I have long known them. So a few of us petitioned the Council to reconsider it. One of the outstanding marks of (in)distinction in the Statement was the poison word incontrovertible, which describes few items in physics, certainly not this one. In response APS appointed a secret committee that never met, never troubled to speak to any skeptics, yet endorsed the Statement in its entirety. (They did admit that the tone was a bit strong, but amazingly kept the poison word incontrovertible to describe the evidence, a position supported by no one.) In the end, the Council kept the original statement, word for word, but approved a far longer “explanatory” screed, admitting that there were uncertainties, but brushing them aside to give blanket approval to the original. The original Statement, which still stands as the APS position, also contains what I consider pompous and asinine advice to all world governments, as if the APS were master of the universe. It is not, and I am embarrassed that our leaders seem to think it is. This is not fun and games, these are serious matters involving vast fractions of our national substance, and the reputation of the Society as a scientific society is at stake.

3. In the interim the ClimateGate scandal broke into the news, and the machinations of the principal alarmists were revealed to the world. It was a fraud on a scale I have never seen, and I lack the words to describe its enormity. Effect on the APS position: none. None at all. This is not science; other forces are at work.

4. So a few of us tried to bring science into the act (that is, after all, the alleged and historic purpose of APS), and collected the necessary 200+ signatures to bring to the Council a proposal for a Topical Group on Climate Science, thinking that open discussion of the scientific issues, in the best tradition of physics, would be beneficial to all, and also a contribution to the nation. I might note that it was not easy to collect the signatures, since you denied us the use of the APS membership list. We conformed in every way with the requirements of the APS Constitution, and described in great detail what we had in mind—simply to bring the subject into the open.<

5. To our amazement, Constitution be damned, you declined to accept our petition, but instead used your own control of the mailing list to run a poll on the members’ interest in a TG on Climate and the Environment. You did ask the members if they would sign a petition to form a TG on your yet-to-be-defined subject, but provided no petition, and got lots of affirmative responses. (If you had asked about sex you would have gotten more expressions of interest.) There was of course no such petition or proposal, and you have now dropped the Environment part, so the whole matter is moot. (Any lawyer will tell you that you cannot collect signatures on a vague petition, and then fill in whatever you like.) The entire purpose of this exercise was to avoid your constitutional responsibility to take our petition to the Council.

6. As of now you have formed still another secret and stacked committee to organize your own TG, simply ignoring our lawful petition.

APS management has gamed the problem from the beginning, to suppress serious conversation about the merits of the climate change claims. Do you wonder that I have lost confidence in the organization?

I do feel the need to add one note, and this is conjecture, since it is always risky to discuss other people’s motives. This scheming at APS HQ is so bizarre that there cannot be a simple explanation for it. Some have held that the physicists of today are not as smart as they used to be, but I don’t think that is an issue. I think it is the money, exactly what Eisenhower warned about a half-century ago. There are indeed trillions of dollars involved, to say nothing of the fame and glory (and frequent trips to exotic islands) that go with being a member of the club. Your own Physics Department (of which you are chairman) would lose millions a year if the global warming bubble burst. When Penn State absolved Mike Mann of wrongdoing, and the University of East Anglia did the same for Phil Jones, they cannot have been unaware of the financial penalty for doing otherwise. As the old saying goes, you don’t have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing. Since I am no philosopher, I’m not going to explore at just which point enlightened self-interest crosses the line into corruption, but a careful reading of the ClimateGate releases makes it clear that this is not an academic question.

I want no part of it, so please accept my resignation. APS no longer represents me, but I hope we are still friends.

Hal

Harold Lewis is Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of California, Santa Barbara, former Chairman; Former member Defense Science Board, chmn of Technology panel; Chairman DSB study on Nuclear Winter; Former member Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards; Former member, President’s Nuclear Safety Oversight Committee; Chairman APS study on Nuclear Reactor Safety
Chairman Risk Assessment Review Group; Co-founder and former Chairman of JASON; Former member USAF Scientific Advisory Board; Served in US Navy in WW II; books: Technological Risk (about, surprise, technological risk) and Why Flip a Coin (about decision making)
 
It is very plain to see how this is NOT an environmental issue. It is about population control, a new religion, Socialism and World Governance. It is ADMITTED!
Time for you Chicken Little's to stfu and concern yourself with helping to take back the original environmental movement that was hijacked that you know nothing about because you probably were not born yet.
 
So can you answer this question Pixel ?

Let me rephrase it, we know water is safe, its a natural thing, our bodies are made up of water etc etc etc

If i were to mix it with arsenic, and lead and mercury, would you drink it ?

If you cant seperate the safe element from the good element, if they come as a total package. is it still safe.
If man made CO2 emissions come packaged with a plethora of other toxic elements, is it still safe to emit CO2 ?

Is it still safe to drink water, if its also laced with poison ?


Youve been happy to badger people for answers to specific questions Pixel, accusing those who ignore them of cowardice.

So answer mine

We take a glass of water, a harmless substance thats necessary for life, i'll even run it through the soda stream and inject some CO2 for you, now its sparkling water.
I'll also add some arsenic, some mercury, some lead and radium

Would you drink it ? yes or no

Its easy in an online debate to seperate the CO2 from our emissions and argue the micro, while ignoring the macro.

In real life those CO2 emissions are part and parcel of a toxic plume that includes mercury and lead and a host of other HAP's, You cant seperate them like you can in a philosophical debate.

So its the same question Given the CO2 emissions come hand in glove with a plethora of harmful HAP's

Is it OK to continue those CO2 emissions in that context

A simple Yes/No answer is fine
 
Lets see what else we get along with the CO2

  • Sulfur dioxide (SO2): Coal plants are the United States’ leading source of SO2 pollution, which takes a major toll on public health, including by contributing to the formation of small acidic particulates that can penetrate into human lungs and be absorbed by the bloodstream. SO2 also causes acid rain, which damages crops, forests, and soils, and acidifies lakes and streams. A typical uncontrolled coal plant emits 14,100 tons of SO2 per year. A typical coal plant with emissions controls, including flue gas desulfurization (smokestack scrubbers), emits 7,000 tons of SO2 per year.
  • Nitrogen oxides (NOx): NOx pollution causes ground level ozone, or smog, which can burn lung tissue, exacerbate asthma, and make people more susceptible to chronic respiratory diseases. A typical uncontrolled coal plant emits 10,300 tons of NOx per year. A typical coal plant with emissions controls, including selective catalytic reduction technology, emits 3,300 tons of NOx per year.
  • Particulate matter: Particulate matter (also referred to as soot or fly ash) can cause chronic bronchitis, aggravated asthma, and premature death, as well as haze obstructing visibility. A typical uncontrolled plan emits 500 tons of small airborne particles each year. Baghouses installed inside coal plant smokestacks can capture as much as 99 percent of the particulates.
  • Mercury: Coal plants are responsible for more than half of the U.S. human-caused emissions of mercury, a toxic heavy metal that causes brain damage and heart problems. Just 1/70th of a teaspoon of mercury deposited on a 25-acre lake can make the fish unsafe to eat. A typical uncontrolled coal plants emits approximately 170 pounds of mercury each year. Activated carbon injection technology can reduce mercury emissions by up to 90 percent when combined with baghouses. ACI technology is currently found on just 8 percent of the U.S. coal fleet.
Other harmful pollutants emitted annually from a typical, uncontrolled coal plant include approximately:
  • 114 pounds of lead, 4 pounds of cadmium, other toxic heavy metals, and trace amounts of uranium. Baghouses can reduce heavy metal emissions by up to 90 percent3.
  • 720 tons of carbon monoxide, which causes headaches and places additional stress on people with heart disease.
  • 220 tons of hydrocarbons, volatile organic compounds (VOC), which form ozone.
  • 225 pounds of arsenic, which will cause cancer in one out of 100 people who drink water containing 50 parts per billion.
Easy to seperate the CO2 in an online debate and argue its safe.
Not so easy to seperate in real life.

Is it safe to emit CO2 if in doing so you cannot avoid emitting all this other toxic stuff as well ?
 
no i would not drink the water.

I separate CO2 out BECAUSE THE VERY FOUNDATION OF THE CAGW SCAM IS IN REFERENCE TO CO2. I am ALL FOR controlling those other types of emissions and have said so for many years on this forum.

You are telling me NOTHING I don't already know after over 10 years of reading up on this CO2 scam.
 
no i would not drink the water.

I separate CO2 out BECAUSE THE VERY FOUNDATION OF THE CAGW SCAM IS IN REFERENCE TO CO2. I am ALL FOR controlling those other types of emissions and have said so for many years on this forum.

You are telling me NOTHING I don't already know after over 10 years of reading up on this CO2 scam.

But thats my point again, its easy to seperate the CO2 as a matter of philosophical debate in an online forum. But in real life we cant.

So the question still unanswered is , is it OK to emit CO2 if in doing so you cannot avoid emitting all the other stuff with it ?
 
Coal plants are the nation’s top source of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. In 2011, utility coal plants in the United States emitted a total of 1.7 billion tons of CO2. A typical coal plant generates 3.5 million tons of CO2 per year.
Burning coal is also a leading cause of smog, acid rain, and toxic air pollution

They come as a package, when you factor in the big picture, are CO2 emissions in this context still "safe"

Luckily we have a case in point to help us decide

Beijing 'barely suitable' for life as heavy pollution shrouds China's capital

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The unusually dense air pollution across much of China this week reached levels dangerous to human health and prompted public criticism of the nation's breakneck development.

authorities in the capital said readings for PM2.5 - particles small enough to penetrate the lungs - hit 993 micrograms per cubic metre, almost 40 times the World Health Organisation's safe limit.
 
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SERIOUSLY? Did you read what I said? The CAGW warmists list CO2 at the major offender!!! NOT THE OTHER ELEMENTS YOU LIST! CO2 is now considered a pollutant because of it. 97% of the CO2 in the atmosphere is NATURAL. '
Did your mother drop you on your head as a child or what? I am tying to be patient with you but you all know ZIP about the real issues here.
 
SERIOUSLY? Did you read what I said? The CAGW warmists list CO2 at the major offender!!! NOT THE OTHER ELEMENTS YOU LIST! CO2 is now considered a pollutant because of it. 97% of the CO2 in the atmosphere is NATURAL. '
Did your mother drop you on your head as a child or what? I am tying to be patient with you but you all know ZIP about the real issues here.

Just answer the question. Is CO2 emission still safe if we accept that in doing so we will unavoidably emit all these other HAP's as well

You are still trying to separate and argue the micro (CO2) while trying to sweep the macro (the unavoidably associated HAP's) that come hand in glove with it, under the rug

That doesnt work in real life, so lets get "real"
 
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You've already answered though havent you

Its no more safe to emit CO2 laced with arsenic, mercury and lead, than it is to drink water laced with the same

In the big picture, in the real world, ITS NOT SAFE to emit CO2 in this manner. And we should stop doing it
 
pixelsmith --- Do you agree with the early 1990's consensus view from the climate science community --- that if the world is going to escape the most catastrophic consequences of climate change, it needs to keep the average global temperature from rising more than two degrees Celsius, compared with preindustrial levels?

Do you see climate change as an "intergenerational issue" --- a way of insuring the future for our children and grandchildren?

Do you believe that a day is going to come when climate change risk will be something investors factor in to their investment decisions?

What do you think of the disinvestment campaign now taking place on college campuses, and do you believe that it is a harbinger of things to come?
 
You've already answered though havent you

Its no more safe to emit CO2 laced with arsenic, mercury and lead, than it is to drink water laced with the same

In the big picture, in the real world, ITS NOT SAFE to emit CO2 in this manner. And we should stop doing it
Control the arsenic, mercury and lead. DUH.
 
pixelsmith --- Do you agree with the early 1990's consensus view from the climate science community --- that if the world is going to escape the most catastrophic consequences of climate change, it needs to keep the average global temperature from rising more than two degrees Celsius, compared with preindustrial levels?

Do you see climate change as an "intergenerational issue" --- a way of insuring the future for our children and grandchildren?

Do you believe that a day is going to come when climate change risk will be something investors factor in to their investment decisions?

What do you think of the disinvestment campaign now taking place on college campuses, and do you believe that it is a harbinger of things to come?
If you think you can control climate change you are insane. It has been happening without humans for over 4 billion years. It is a necessary function of the planet. You would not be here if not for climate change. Global temps have been much higher in the past and much colder. Stop thinking you are so special you can stop climate change. It can't be done. Period.
 
You all act like climate change has never happened before.


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Control the arsenic, mercury and lead. DUH.

And if thats not possible ?

Were it that easy, You'd think China would have done that.

Your argument has been thus far that its OK to drink dirty polluted poison laced water, because water is harmless and necessary for life.
But of course when it comes to drinking that water you say no.

Your argument is clean CO2 is safe, and the greenhouse example makes that point. Growers introduce clean CO2. Dirty CO2 is harmful

However, incomplete combustion or contaminated fuels may cause plant damage. Most sources of natural gas and propane have sufficiently low levels of impurities, but notify your supplier of your intention to use the fuel for CO2 supplementation. Sulphur levels in the fuel should not exceed 0.02% by weight.

The fact remains that the vast bulk of CO2 emissions coming out of the stacks of industry is Dirty CO2, and no more safe to emit than dirty water is to drink.

Your arguments in this thread only work if we are talking clean CO2 like greenhouse growers use. The reality is most of the CO2 emissions are Dirty CO2, and are just as harmful to the environment as dirty CO2 is to greenhouse growers

contaminated fuels may cause plant damage

The reality is we emit Dirty CO2, and the effects can be seen in places like china. Your argument our CO2 emissions are safe fails the test. because they are Dirty CO2 emissions and Dirty CO2 emissions are most certainly not safe, just the reverse.
 
Your argument has been thus far that its OK to drink dirty polluted poison laced water, because water is harmless and necessary for life.
But of course when it comes to drinking that water you say no.
i don't even drink city water wtf are you talking about?
 
I am leaving my office cubicle where it is probably about 8000 ppm CO2.. I will try to enlighten you more later tonight.
 
With all your catastrophic scenarios I have to assume you are using a primitive computer that apparently runs on water and ride a bamboo bicycle where ever you go. Do you actually practice what you preach? Later..
 
i don't even drink city water wtf are you talking about?

If you really dont get what i posted there is no hope for you.

I asked you if you would drink water laced with arsenic,mercury,lead etc you said no you would not.

Your argument about CO2 is akin to drinking that water because the water component is safe.

But if you cant seperate the water from the toxic elements you agree its not safe.

Its the same with CO2 emissions, you argue that the CO2 is safe, but if you cant seperate the CO2 from all the other toxic elements that get emitted with it then by the same reasoning its no more safe than the water you would not drink.

Try and keep up, its not rocket surgery
 
Your argument as akin to saying

6430_steam_train.jpg


This train uses steam to turn its wheels, steam is just water. This train does not pollute the air

But of course it does...... you cant single out the steam and say its clean. you have to consider the whole picture.

Our current CO2 emissions are Dirty CO2. Your arguments about it being good for plants etc only work with the greenhouse growers clean CO2 example.

China's toxic air pollution resembles nuclear winter, say scientists
Air pollution now impeding photosynthesis and potentially wreaking havoc on country's food supply

China's toxic air pollution resembles nuclear winter, say scientists | Environment | The Guardian

Dirty CO2 emissions are not safe
 
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