Satan Is The God Of Jesus, according to the bible (video)

[Bob Watson]

and the bible is true how???

 

[mike]

If the Bible is proof of god , jesus and the devil then the Hobbit is proof of dragons, goblins and magic invisibility rings

 

[stonehart]

not watched the video as yet but from my time in study of the origins of what we call Christianity I was under the impression that the literal meaning of the word satan (note small s) is adversary.

Just saying.

 

[Bob Watson]

HOBBITS??? REAL!

 

[mike]

not watched the video as yet but from my time in study of the origins of what we call Christianity I was under the impression that the literal meaning of the word satan (note small s) is adversary.

Just saying.

Quite correct

In Judaism "satan" is not a sentient being but a metaphor for the evil inclination – the yetzer hara – that exists in every person and tempts us to do wrong.

The Hebrew word "satan" literally means "adversary" and in Jewish thought one of the things we struggle against every day is the "evil inclination," also known as the yetzer hara. The yetzer hara is not a force or a being, but rather refers to mankind's innate capacity for doing evil in the world.

Likewise there is no hell in the classical sense either

Early Judaism had no concept of Hell, though the concept of an afterlife was introduced during the Hellenic period, apparently from neighboring Hellenistic religions. It occurs for example in Book of Daniel. Daniel 12:2 proclaims "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." Judaism does not have a specific doctrine about the afterlife, but it does have a mystical/Orthodox tradition of describing Gehenna. Gehenna is not Hell, but originally a grave and in later times a sort of Purgatory where one is judged based on one's life's deeds, or rather, where one becomes fully aware of one's own shortcomings and negative actions during one's life. The Kabbalah explains it as a "waiting room" (commonly translated as an "entry way") for all souls (not just the wicked). The overwhelming majority of rabbinic thought maintains that people are not in Gehenna forever; the longest that one can be there is said to be 12 months, however there has been the occasional noted exception. Some consider it a spiritual forge where the soul is purified for its eventual ascent to Olam Habah (heb. עולם הבא; lit. "The world to come", often viewed as analogous to Heaven). This is also mentioned in the Kabbalah, where the soul is described as breaking, like the flame of a candle lighting another: the part of the soul that ascends being pure and the "unfinished" piece being reborn.

According to Jewish teachings, hell is not entirely physical; rather, it can be compared to a very intense feeling of shame. People are ashamed of their misdeeds and this constitutes suffering which makes up for the bad deeds. When one has so deviated from the will of God, one is said to be in gehinom. This is not meant to refer to some point in the future, but to the very present moment. The gates of teshuva (return) are said to be always open, and so one can align his will with that of God at any moment. Being out of alignment with God's will is itself a punishment according to the Torah.

Its only later when the new testiment was manufactured that these concepts were put on steroids and pumped up to the modern versions

 

[stonehart]

Quite correct

In Judaism "satan" is not a sentient being but a metaphor for the evil inclination – the yetzer hara – that exists in every person and tempts us to do wrong.

The Hebrew word "satan" literally means "adversary" and in Jewish thought one of the things we struggle against every day is the "evil inclination," also known as the yetzer hara. The yetzer hara is not a force or a being, but rather refers to mankind's innate capacity for doing evil in the world.

Likewise there is no hell in the classical sense either

Early Judaism had no concept of Hell, though the concept of an afterlife was introduced during the Hellenic period, apparently from neighboring Hellenistic religions. It occurs for example in Book of Daniel. Daniel 12:2 proclaims "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." Judaism does not have a specific doctrine about the afterlife, but it does have a mystical/Orthodox tradition of describing Gehenna. Gehenna is not Hell, but originally a grave and in later times a sort of Purgatory where one is judged based on one's life's deeds, or rather, where one becomes fully aware of one's own shortcomings and negative actions during one's life. The Kabbalah explains it as a "waiting room" (commonly translated as an "entry way") for all souls (not just the wicked). The overwhelming majority of rabbinic thought maintains that people are not in Gehenna forever; the longest that one can be there is said to be 12 months, however there has been the occasional noted exception. Some consider it a spiritual forge where the soul is purified for its eventual ascent to Olam Habah (heb. עולם הבא; lit. "The world to come", often viewed as analogous to Heaven). This is also mentioned in the Kabbalah, where the soul is described as breaking, like the flame of a candle lighting another: the part of the soul that ascends being pure and the "unfinished" piece being reborn.

According to Jewish teachings, hell is not entirely physical; rather, it can be compared to a very intense feeling of shame. People are ashamed of their misdeeds and this constitutes suffering which makes up for the bad deeds. When one has so deviated from the will of God, one is said to be in gehinom. This is not meant to refer to some point in the future, but to the very present moment. The gates of teshuva (return) are said to be always open, and so one can align his will with that of God at any moment. Being out of alignment with God's will is itself a punishment according to the Torah.

Its only later when the new testiment was manufactured that these concepts were put on steroids and pumped up to the modern versions

This ^^^^^^

that there folks is a well educated post.

 

[Termin]

So who do you people say the angel of God is who called himself the exact term "God" in Genesis 31:11-13?

 

[Termin]

This ^^^^^^

that there folks is a well educated post.

It's far from it, it doesn't begin to talk about all 4 verses Wayne says are grouped together - 1 Chronicles 21:1, 2 Samuel 24:1, 1 Chronicles 21:15 & 2 Chronicles 3:1.

 

[Termin]

This ^^^^^^

that there folks is a well educated post.

No response huh? That says it all right there.

 

[mike]

In its simplest terms its ALL superstitious nonsense

The conversation may as well be Santa is the god of the elves or Batman is the god of robin (or visa versa if you like)

The relationship between two fictitious characters is only as significant as the chracters themselves, which in the case of fictitious characters isnt significant at all.

 

[stonehart]

No response huh? That says it all right there.

Actually I had not noticed this thread in a while..
Sorry but I have a fair amount to do teaching students useful information like engineering and very little time to argue in endless circles about the validity and voracity of ones personal imaginary friends or friends books.
Quoting passages from the bible gives no more solidity to an argument here than if I were to quote lines from Lord of the Rings and just because your particular work of fiction is older means about jack shit when you take a good long hard look at it. Now if your god dictated a book on math and practical engineering I may just be interested, but that would be something useful.
So I will waste no more of your time and thankfully no more of mine, enjoy your religion if it makes you feel happy because I on the other hand don't really give two fucks what you believe in mate.

I have essays to mark and a lesson on the decibel/sound metering and equivalent amplitude ratings (don't ask) to teach tomorrow, which means logarithms so good night all I need some sleep not a religious argument.

 

[mike]